Ok here goes, cause i guess i am going to be one of those that will struggle. i downloaded and installed NEAT4.9 because at 1st glance it looked like it would make administration easier. i can pull up the web interface and edit the host.cfg, which BTW i couldnt do by using the httpd default group and chmod g+w host.cfg as suggested in the README.txt for NEAT. the problem now is when i try to verify and restart netsaint using the NEAT web interface i get this error msg: ERROR - userid apacheuser (this is not the real default httpd user) cannot run /usr/local/netsaint/bin/netsaint to verify your config. This is probably your httpd userid. Fix this i am not sure why it is using this apache user, it is not entered in the netsaint.cfg file. any ideas? slr