I prefer to use the IceWM due to it's quick interface, at least on startup, and I don't really care about the desktop that much. However, when I try to use XMMS it doesn't always work. I can get it to work sometimes by starting in the KDE or Gnome WM, running XMMS and it's ok. Then I switch back to Ice and XMMS is ok there too. However, after I re-boot, the sound is once again gone from Ice and I have to go thru the same KDE -> Ice to 'see' it again. Anyone had similiar problems? Or is there something better than XMMS? I'd personnally like to get Route66 up, but haven't had the time yet. pete