Thanks to all that has answers to my problem. I have not forgotten you just had a series of different problems. Starting last Saturday my ISP stopped forwarding my mail. Since it was a weekend no tech was on hand till Tuesday and I didn't start getting mail until Wed. But in the meantime while trying to modify my system I erased my hda drive so had to reinstall my OS. The OS is now SuSE Linux 8.0 and it doesn't like bash as well as SuSE Linux 7.3. After I got the OS working the only mail that was coming in was junk, nothing from plug-discuss. so sent a test message and found out I was dropped from the subscribers list, an so had to resubscribe. I think things are fine now except for bash, which I will keep working on. Clay Stapleton