gone for 3 days and what to I come home to find... here's a point: When we talk about GNU's HURD OS we generally say just HURD. When we talk about IBM's AIX, Sun's Solaris, SGI's Irix,... we just use the short name. When I talk about the tools (which is what GNU really did write), I typically use the term GNU. Linux was written because everyone associated with GNU was cranking out tools and no kernel. HURD is now availible, but has not caught on. uggg... enough of this. see ya' EBo --