+--------------+ | PLEASE | | DO NOT FEED | | THE TROLLS | | --The Mgt.| +------++------+ || o o o || * ,,\|/,,,||,,,/,,, ---+-------------- On Sun, 28 Apr 2002, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > Your first paragraph puts you at odds with the gnu project according to > their manifesto. If you had a business they would boycott you over just > that. I offer as an example that fact they are boycotting Amazon because > they had the audacity to copyright the One Click" ordering. After a suit > with Barnes & Nobel over it was settled, the boycott continues because "the > terms of the settlement" were not released. Those people at the gnu project > have obviously been smoking that wacky tobacco since the 60's non stop. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Cober" > To: > Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 3:39 PM > Subject: Re: Linux for small business > > > Tom - I agree with you that not all software should not be free. I believe > there is nothing wrong with charging money for software in some > circumstances, and keeping the source closed. > > However, I also believe that the open-source , free software model is > perfect for certain types of software. I also think it can produce a > superior product. Take a Web Server for example. Apache is an outstanding > product. It is needed by millions of people and actively developed by > thousands of developers. Sendmail is another example. But the best example > is the Linux kernel itself. > > For these types of "commodity software", open-source leverages the talents > of a large number of developers and testers to create a product that would > be difficult and expensive to reproduce in a closed-environment. An > Operating System should be developed by society for society. Think of it > like freeway system. Society builds it for society. Nobody "owns" the > freeway. Another analogy would be our government process. Nobody "owns" > the way a democracy runs. The processes and checks and balances are public, > free, knowledge. > > As a software user, you are much better off using open-source than > closed-source. By using open-source you empower yourself and others the > ability to maintain, modify, and enhance your software. As a software user > if there are 2 identical products, 1 open 1 closed, you should opt for the > open one. But not all products are availible closed-source, nor should they > be. > > Open-source can be good(especially for users). Closed-source can be > good(especially for developers that need to make money selling their > software). > > ;-) > Bob > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Achtenberg" > To: > Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 1:53 PM > Subject: Re: Linux for small business > > > > Sorry, but after reading the first line of the "About Free Software" > > section, "Free software is a matter of freedom: people should be free to > use > > software in all the ways that are socially useful. " I cannot buy into > this > > "movement" The clear implication is they feel anything someone writes > > belongs to everyone, not the person who wrote it. That is the very system > > that was tried and failed miserably in Easter Europe. I do not and will > not > > buy into it in the least. It is the same mentality that drove me away > from > > the Libertarian party in the political world. Under that system, there is > > no incentive to improve or excel. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gontran Zepeda" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 12:32 PM > > Subject: Re: Linux for small business > > > > > > * Tom Achtenberg (lists@achtenberg.com) wrote: > > > RE: Linux for small businessI don't see a whole lot of difference > between > > > the "Free Software Movement" and the "Shareware" movement. Just a > > > different platform. > > > > Harumph. > > > > See: > > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/philosophy.html > > > > And related documents there at gnu.org > > > > > > Gontran > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post > > to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 4/19/2002 > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post > to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 4/19/2002 > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >