I lied. (Well, I changed my mind.) I'll tell you what my other two problems are now, because it will be late this afternoon before I even get to look at them again. Maybe someone will have a blinding flash of insight that could point me in the right direction with one simple sentence. I'll send them in separate emails: The first deals with my CD player again, which still is not working. However, I think I have a handle on that. I was complaining about it before. In the course of things the behavior changed. I have no idea what I did to cause the change. As a reminder, the summary of the problem is this: I have a CD burner on /dev/hdc (second IDE port, master), and a standard RW CD on /dev/hdd (second IDE port, slave). Never mind what it *used* to be doing. At present the CD-R on hdd works fine except for one thing: it won't play music through the speakers. The problem is simply that my soundcard needs to be reinstalled, which includes tweaking the kernel. For some reason it wouldn't work. That's when I got myself into kernel trouble. I'll deal with it later. (RSN) Stay tuned for problem number two. -- Lynn David Newton Phoenix, AZ