----- Original Message ----- From: "George Toft" To: Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 10:12 PM Subject: Re: Router-Gateway-Firewall solution for less than 150?? > Passing on issues it not a bad thing. Claiming a product is > rootable warrants an explanation with references. > > If I claim McAfee Anti-virus is a bad product, I offer very > little. If I say McAfee Anti-virus is a bad product, and > demonstrate that it cannot detect the Sub-Seven trojan, I offer > more (OBTW - this is why I will not use McAfee anymore). If I > report the issue to the vendor, I have fulfilled my > responsibilities. > I dont see that software i dont write is my responsability > You stated: "its kinda the same as Netmax products i found it > easy to gain root through the running of daemons." I'm asking > for substantiation of your claim, or a retest with the current > version to see if the problem still exists. Did you report it? > Did you document your exploit do they can make a better product? > Or did you just sit back and let people get hacked? I have > filed bug reports on mc (2), linkcheck (3), and rpm (2); and > I'm about to file one on grip. cool, I led my peers to what i found and things were sent to the companies but i dont do it personally, I guess this begs the questions for every bug exploit that is found in M$ is it reported? probably not because most of the time nothing is done about it anyway. > > Crappy software needs to be fixed. You can either be a part of > problem or a part of the solution. > I dont see i fall in either catagory .. > George > > > > Nancy Sollars wrote: > > > > Was just telling how it was ... > > > > I guess just passing on issues found is a bad thing .. So if someone does > > get rooted then il not respond when someone starts shouting about it ... > > > > I did'nt say that E-smith was a bad product i said it was bad because as you > > should well know running processes on a firewall such as web or mail servers > > is potentially risky .. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "George Toft" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 6:26 PM > > Subject: Re: Router-Gateway-Firewall solution for less than 150?? > > > > > N. > > > > > > Since e-smith is well regarded on this list, instead of > > > casting dispersions on the product, why don't you post > > > credible references showing these flaws, or test the > > > current version of the software for the vulnerabilities > > > that you know and post the results on the list? > > > > > > George > > > > > > > > > Nancy Sollars wrote: > > > > > > > > mmm if its anything like the software we ( LinuxIT ) were pushing for > > them > > > > back in the UK i still have my doubts .. > > > > > > > > I had alot of time to run various install types of the E-Smith software > > .. > > > > its kinda the same as Netmax products i found it easy to gain root > > through > > > > the running of daemons. > > > > > > > > I guess being business partners / Distributors for these co's gives one > > a > > > > very good head start. > > > > > > > > Nige > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >