ln> Randomly?? That should make your workday ln> interesting. David> Well randomly as in "the end user can control David> what they are". ... muscle memory ... As a guy who was born with a keyboard fixation, I can relate to muscle memory. David> \_ Good! Is it safe to install the RPM on RH 7.1, or David> \_ should I get the .tgz and build it from source? David> It can't hurt...much. :-) Yeah, it can. But maybe not much in this case. I downloaded the 1.0.1 sawfish RPM and tried to install it, but was blocked beause I need librep >= 0.1.14. What I've got in RH 7.1 is 0.1.13. I'm inclined on the basis of previous experience *not* to go blindly installing libraries on a system if I ever hope to reboot it again. However, in this case I'm guessing from the name that the only thing librep consists of is is the actual implementation of the rep language, which would have no impact on the system other than on how Sawfish works. Am I right? (What else makes use of librep?) I tried to use rpmfind to get the "latest", but being smart, it doesn't want to just grab some randomly updated library, so it returned 1.13.something. Sigh. Sooooo ... off to sourceforge I went, and found a librep-0.15.2-1, but when I tried to install it, it says that librep-0.13.3-1 is newer than librep-0.15.2-1. Hmmm. Didn't install it. So I tried to uninstall librep-0.13.3-1, but that would break dependencies on sawfish, which is not a problem, because I'm trying to update that, and can uninstall, and also on rep-gtk-0.15.3. Rats. I don't know what that is, and I don't have the RH disks handy, so I suppose I ought to see if I can snag the latest version of rep-gtk and have it standing by, then unstall the 0.15.3 version, then sawfish, then install librep, then the new sawfish. Does this sound right? That's a general question addressed to anyone reading this. Meanwhile, I'm back to Enlightenment in order to be able to get something done. David> See workspaces under sawfish-ui. See David> 'next-workspace', 'previous-workspace', David> 'move-viewport-{down,left,right,up}' under David> bindings. Ummm ... are you talking man pages, info file, or what? Thanks for the input. -- Lynn David Newton Phoenix, AZ