RJ -- I'll add my AMEN to all the comments that were posted. And yes, one more e-mail forum is just a little more than I have room for. Business is a tough business, so you have to really have your concept laid out, and a survival plan, hopefully including a variety of ways for it to produce actual money. The full-theme approach (T-shirts, etc.) is part of this. Your emphasis on video cards and CD burners is a good start in one direction: Making these things work with Linux is perceived as a roadblock. I have a Brand X monitor and still don't have my X config working right. Windows got it right immediately. But note that it is the SERVICE that you are selling, and your pricing has to recognize the time you'll need to spend. As you have now learned, if you want to make a hit with the Linux crowd, stick with plain-text e-mail and save the FX for your web site. BTW, nice job on that site: http://www.generationxcomputing.com Look at http://plug.phoenix.az.us/ for the meeting schedules. You might get a chance for some face-to-face brainstorming possibilities, especially at the Stammtisch (sorta the right atmosphere, y'know). Do you have music to go with that swingin' penguin? ;-) If you can send me an MP3 of a song you'd like for this, maybe I can set up a midi track for you, synchronized to this guy's groove. (Do animated GIFs The song would be munged to avoid copyright infringement, of course. Good luck. Vic -- Let me be a part of the solution: http://www.newearth.org/~victor/resume.html -- or -- http://members.cox.net/vodhner/