It really comes down to what the priorities are in the company you work for, and if you have an executive-level supporter of information security. If you don't have someone up high that is going to fight for 'what is right', you're doomed from the beginning until a security incident happens - then you get blamed anyway. Nice, eh? Just wait till your company has to go through a government compliance audit, a SAS*70, or a business continuity audit - boy do eyes get opened. Talk about getting ammunition. I feel very lucky that I work for a company that has taken a "Expediency does not justify forgetting personal privacy/security" stance. I had a bit of a battle on my hands when I took over as Chief Information Security Officer, but through a little education and locating several 'champions' within the company to help me with my mission - it has become a lot easier. If anyone wants any advice on making their company take security a little more seriously, I'd be happy lend my experience. Gary ------------------------------- gary@linuxforce.org http://www.linuxchimp.com > Same thing happened to me. I found 10's of thousands of credit > card numbers, names, addresses, mother's maiden names, etc stored > on the web servers in logs - contrary to corporate policy. I made > the developers stop logging that stuff. My contract was terminated. > > > > PS: When did pinhead finance majors start making engineering decisions? > > That is something that really bugs me. > > That is the way it works. At least in the two Big Corporations > I've worked for as wellas the Military. It all comes down to the > Benji's - someone has to pay for the screwups, and they have to > weigh the cost to fix the problem against the benefit of that fix > against the risk of not fixing it. > > Did you know that it costs $20,000 to change one page of a Navy > Reactor Plant Manual. Needless to say, they don't change them > unless it's important. >