I disagree, it should be the end product people who package any supplementary file their product needs together. I would not expect MS to include everything a Symantec product would need, that would be Symantec's job. The same should hold for Linux. If I write a program I should not expect Red Hat, Debian, SuSE or any of the others to have what my product needs, I should include it. The fault here clearly lies with poor product management by Ximian. -----Original Message----- From: Robert A. Klahn [mailto:rklahn@acm.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 10:14 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: RPM Rant (was: Re: Evolution on RedHat 7.2) This is one area where RedHat has a thing or two to learn from Debian. As I have had to work with RedHat more and more (it is "Linux" after all), I miss just doing an "apt-get install foo" and just having it work. In short, don't blame Ximian, blame the poor management capabilities of RPM. Rpmfind, and its ilk, is just a band-aid to the core problem, which is, the total lack of ability of the package management system to determine the predependencies of a package. Don't get me wrong, I could go on a Debian rant about many things (like the fact that a release based upon a 2.4.X kernel is nowhere close, for one). In short, the distributions have a lot to learn from each other. EndRant. Bob. On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:43:47 -0700 "Tom Achtenberg" wrote: > I downloaded the dependent rpms. Ran into 6 more dependencies at this > level. Tried the --nodeps Carl recommended and got at least 40 conflicts in > the installation. It just isn't worth this kind of hassle and frustration. > For the third and final time I am giving up on Evolution and anything else > from Ximian. They have a long way to go before their programs are ready for > general public consumption. I have NEVER had this much trouble installing > anything in Windows. > > I will patiently wait for KDE 3 to be released. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Craig White" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 11:47 PM > Subject: Re: Evolution on RedHat 7.2 > > > On Tue, 2002-01-22 at 21:31, Tom Achtenberg wrote: > > Craig, I just gave it a third shot. I downloaded all the rpm's listed > > below. When I issued the rpm -U *rpm command I got the following error: > > error:failed dependencies > > GConf = 1.0.7 is needed by GConf-devel-1.0.7-2 > > GConf >= 1.0.7 is needed by evolution-1.0.1-2 > > oaf = 0.6.5 is needed by oaf-devel-0.6.5-10 > > bonobo = 1.0.7 is needed by bonobo-devel-1.0.7-2 > > > > I cannot find any rpm's on the site to fulfill these dependencies. What > > now? > --------- > OK - well, you must have previously installed some of these > developmental files so you can't install just the files without the > developmental packages too. > > so download - I don't have the exact names but you'll get the idea... > > GConf-devel-1.0.7-2.i386.rpm > oaf-devel-0.6.7-2.i386.rpm > bonobo-devel-1.0.18-1.i386.rpm > > HTH > > Craig > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Craig White" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 11:35 AM > > Subject: Evolution on RedHat 7.2 > > > > > > FWIW - Redhat 7.2 - here's how I got evolution 1.01 to install > > > > > > > > bonobo-1.0.18-1.i386.rpm > > bonobo-activation-0.9.3.91-2.i386.rpm > > bonobo-conf-0.14-1.i386.rpm > > evolution-1.0.1-2.i386.rpm > > gal-0.19-2.i386.rpm > > GConf-1.0.7-2.i386.rpm > > glib2-1.3.12.90-1.i386.rpm > > gtkhtml-1.0.1-2.i386.rpm > > libbonobo-1.108.0.90-1.i386.rpm > > libgal19-0.19-2.i386.rpm > > libgtkhtml9-0.9.2-10.i386.rpm > > libIDL-0.7.1.91-1.i386.rpm > > libxml-1.8.16-3.i386.rpm > > libxml-devel-1.8.16-3.i386.rpm > > linc-0.1.12.90-1.i386.rpm > > oaf-0.6.7-2.i386.rpm > > ORBit-0.5.12-1.i386.rpm > > ORBit2-2.3.100.90-2.i386.rpm > > ORBit-devel-0.5.12-1.i386.rpm > > > > and installed via... rpm -Uvh *rpm > > > > It's very 'Outlook' like and it apparently can authenticate on smtp. > > > > YMMV > > > > Craig > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post > > to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.mybutt.net > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post > to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Robert A. 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