Thank you. Well summarized. I think this is one of the least estetic designs of a desktop I have ever seen. yuck..... Greg > -----Original Message----- > From: Jay [mailto:jay@kinetic.org] > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 12:09 AM > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: OT: The new iMac! > > > > > Heh, that's pretty good. :) I do have to admit though, I really don't > like the new iMac design. I like the concept, I *really* like > the screen > (except for the size), and I like the specs on the machine. > However, that > "breast implant with an Apple logo" they used for a base just doesn't > impress me. :) > > ~Jay > > > > On 7 Jan 2002, Todd Hought wrote: > > > I can certainly attest to that, that Powerbook of yours is > dead sexy. > > and every time I go to fry's for something, I find myself > drawn to those > > nifty macs, they're just smooth, makes me wanna buy one, if > not for me, > > for my wife, since she does most of the graphics stuff around here. > > > > However, I cannot help but put this in here, for those who > may or may > > not have seen it. :-) > > > > http://www.bbspot.com/News/2002/01/oooh.html > > > > -T > > On Mon, 2002-01-07 at 22:58, Jay wrote: > > > > > > > > > A couple points... > > > > > > * I used Apple products exclusively from 1979 (Apple ][) > through the late > > > 80's. Then Apple got boring and fell behind the pack. > > > > > > * I have been a Linux zealot since 1995 and have used it > exclusively for > > > both servers and desktops since (although I do have VM > Ware for a couple > > > of Windows apps, but only run it once a month or so). I > have mainly used > > > Slackware, although relatively recently I've started > using Mandrake. > > > > > > * About three or four months ago, I just couldn't resist > the Mac OSX > > > "urge" any longer and went to the Apple Store in Chandler > and bought a > > > Titanium PowerBook G4. > > > > > > * In a matter of HOURS, I was instantly re-converted to > an Apple zealot > > > for the desktop. I'll still use Linux and *BSD for > servers, but ANY > > > desktop/portable products I buy from now on will be 100% > Apple and OSX. > > > > > > The early OSX releases were kinda' slow sometimes (OSX > loves RAM, but hey, > > > it's cheap these days). However, current OSX releases > absolutely 100% KICK > > > ASS - no question about it. I know of at least one other > long-time Linux > > > zealot, now OSX-on-the-desktop/portable zealot, on this > list. In reading > > > online forums, mailing lists, etc... it is quite clear > that GEEKS LOVE OSX > > > and I couldn't agree more. > > > > > > The system is just so perfectly seamless and beautiful. > Everything always > > > just works. No drivers, no hours of obscure configs, no > library problems, > > > no muss, no fuss. I can't stress this enough - everything > just works - > > > period. > > > > > > A couple of examples... > > > > > > * I bought a new 802.11b base station. Getting my TiPB > online with it - > > > easy - turn on the laptop. That's it. OSX auto-finds the > basestation, > > > reconfigures the OS's networking configs, all instantly > and automagically. > > > > > > * I took a bunch of pictures with my Sony digital camera > and I needed to > > > get them onto my computer. How do I do that with OSX? It > was pretty tough > > > - not only did I have to turn on the laptop, but I also > had to plug in the > > > camera's USB cable (I know, horribly complicated, eh? :). > That's it - OSX > > > recognized the camera, mounted it as an external drive, > placed an icon on > > > my desktop, launched the Image Capture app, and > downloaded all my pics to > > > my Pictures folder - all automagically (remember, all I > did was turn on > > > the laptop and plug in the camera). > > > > > > * I'm sitting at Coffee Plantation the other day and > thought to myself, > > > "Self, wouldn't it be neat-o if I could get online with > my cell phone > > > right now?" The obvious answer was "yes, that would be > neat-o." What did I > > > have to do to accomplish this mess (my cell phone came > with a PC data > > > cable). I plugged in my cell phone to my laptop. THAT'S > IT! OSX recognized > > > the device and automatically figured out that it could > act as a modem. I > > > clicked on the network connection icon, typed in my ISP's > phone number, > > > typed in my username and password (OSX can't quite guess > those things > > > automagically :), and clicked "Connect." A few seconds later, I'm > > > connected. No muss, no fuss. > > > > > > * Uh oh, someone emailed me a MS Word/Excel/PowerPoint > document... now > > > what. Oh! I know! I double clicked it...that's it! Yes, > like it or not, MS > > > Office controls the business world. And yes, MS Office > runs NATIVE in OSX! > > > > > > * Now I want to "get my hands dirty" and open a Bash > shell, launch Vi > > > (or Emacs, but I'm not into self-mutilation) and hack up a quick > > > shell/perl/python/ruby/whatever script and make it a cron > job. Hey, no > > > problem! OSX is built on a FULL COMPLETE FreeBSD system. > Not only that, > > > but you have total access to it. Bash? Yup. Cron? Yup. > Python? Yup. > > > Sendmail? Yup. Apache? Yup. Vi? Yup. Pine? Yup. ls? Yup. > grep? Yup. Bind? > > > Yup. MySQL? Yup. SSH(d)? Yup. I could go on forever...you > get the point - > > > IT IS ALL THERE. > > > > > > * Although OSX has tons of commercial apps support (and > more every day), > > > let's say I prefer Gimp to Photoshop. No problem there > either. I can run > > > XFree86 at the same time (even interleaved with) the OSX > GUI (Aqua / > > > Quartz). That's right - I can run almost all the XFree86 > apps right there > > > NATIVE on OSX. Gnome? Yup. Abiword? Yup. StarOffice? Yup. > Xeyes? Yup. > > > XTerm? Yup. GNUCash? Yup. TuxRacer? Yup. You get the > point - they're all > > > there. Additionally, just like any other XFree86 > implementation, I can run > > > XFree86 apps from my Linux box over the network on my OSX > XFree86 server. > > > > > > * Just a side note, if you have used Linux for a while, > no doubt you've > > > seen the "less than readable" fonts that some XFree86 apps like to > > > produce. Personally, I absolutely LOVE a good looking screen with > > > excellent fonts and readability. OSX borrowed an > incredible point from > > > NeXT here - the entire GUI and rendering engine is all > PDF. Everything is > > > antialiased, sharp, and super clean looking. Using OSX is > great on my > > > eyes and REALLY is FUN and ENJOYABLE (is that sadistic?) > to look at. It > > > really is a great experience to read documents/web > > > sites/email/usenet/etc... on OSX. Everything just looks georgeous. > > > > > > Did I mention that IT IS ALL THERE (full UNIX and > seamless GUI and killer > > > apps) and that EVERYTHING just simply works? :) (Of > course, the UNIX > > > system gives you the ability to do everything manually > and "break" it if > > > you want to. All the power is there.) > > > > > > No question about it; OSX is geek paradise. Period. :) > > > > > > ~Jay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Kevin Brown wrote: > > > > > > > Don't know much about Macs either since almost all my > exp is with Intel based > > > > hardware. I guess you wouldn't, but then again, I like > a box where I can. > > > > > > > > > Maybe I just don't know anything about Macs, but, do > you really upgrade them > > > > > that much? > > > > > > > > > > Very weird looking IMO. Probably runs OSX. Guess > the nice thing is the > > > > > lack of > > > > > > wires coming out of it, but would probably not much > in the way of internal > > > > > > upgrades do to the oddly shaped case. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.apple.com/imac/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you haven't seen the new iMac check it out... > very cool! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.apple.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You maybe asking why I posted this on a Linux > list. I run Debian Linux > > > > > > > on my powerbook along with Mac OS (Occasionally I > do graphic design and > > > > > > > I'm too attached to all my fonts, Photoshop > filters, and other personal > > > > > > > stuff that I'm not ready to deal with because I > can't afford psychiatric > > > > > > > help... he he) Linux on a mac is very cool cause > of the speed and > > > > > > > performance and I'm dying to run it on a G4... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also think OS X is not too bad either... but > it's super slow and > > > > > > > crashes... but fun to play with... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyways check it out or don't... > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if > your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use > Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > PLUG-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > ~Jay > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if > your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use > Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > PLUG-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > -- > ~Jay > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your > mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to > write mail. > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > "The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. 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