Awhile back there was a question about apps that mysteriously started with KDE. I don't know how some programs got there, but in .kde/share/config/ksmserverrc there were a few lines like restartCommand4=gmc,-session,blah blah blah Commenting them out solved the problem. I did a ps axf to draw the "ASCII Forest" of all executing jobs and found then programs in question, then changed into my ~/.kde directory and did a grep -r -s prog_name * to find which files were talking about those programs. That ksmserverrc is a bit spooky, and I haven't seen it documented anywhere. At least they were text files instead of some Byzantine Registry! \\/ http://www.wlindley.com