I have to at least partially agree that this list has too much noise on it.  At times I've wondered if my subscription was changed from Linux User Group to Lets bash MS group.  I would include in the noise my own thread of @home possible shutting down and all the Qwest bashing others were doing.  Eliminating these kind of posts would reduce the daily message count from 40-60 down to about 15.  Just MHO.

-----Original Message-----
From: sm [mailto:sm@vis.nu]
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 12:24 PM
To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
Subject: Re: "JABBER" on the list Can't we keep it down?


On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, John Mosier wrote:

> Can't we keep the NOISE on this list down.  This JABBER is ridiculous!
>
> NONE of us is interested in the explanations.  AZIPA rules are better
> than the PLUG rules.There are two regular posters whose postings ALWAYS
> process the RE: as attachments.
>
>
> I am considering dropping my subscription to the list because there
> is so much JABBER and NOISE on the list that the useful stuff is
> totally drowned out by excessive posting by people who have nothing
> constructive to add.
>
> There are two regular posters whose postings ALWAYS process
> with attachments.


Rather than cluttering up the list with jabber related trolling, it might
be more appropriate to ask if there's a announcement related mailing list,
or something along those lines.  Most organizations have one.

Since there's a lot of crosstalk between organizations around here, as you
yourself point out, it makes some sort of sense that the PLUG list, which
is the most general and least Official[tm] list of these organizations,
have a lot of the jabber that is an unavoidable side effect of this form
of communication.

This is the reason I have PLUG in it's own folder, as I have AZIPA, AzPHP,
ASULUG, and the apparently 4,000 other Arizona related free software/open
source mailing lists I'm on filter into their own seperate boxes.
Surely, if it were not for Procmail, I would be dead.  I would have
drowned in the stream of babble.  Hooray for procmail.

A complaint was raised against this person in a public forum.  They should
be allowed to respond in kind.  Do I really care?  No.  How long would it
take me to delete the post?  Yea, about three seconds.

Now, I may be going against the grain here.  More people may think that
this is a problem rather than just an unfortunate side effect.  In which
case, perhaps a seperate 'plug-useless' mailing list could be set up, or
perhaps a completely different form of communication, such as IRC, or more
appropriately, a Jabber server. :)

-Sam



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