Jiva> To settle a dispute with someone: Would you pay Jiva> for commercial software for Linux? Yes. Jiva> Ie: Say, games, No. Jiva> productivity applications, etc? Depends. Jiva> If so, why does it seem that most linux Jiva> commercial software ventures fail? Could be because it's not the *right* software. There are certain commercial packages that run *only* on Windows and Mac systems that simply don't exist on Linux. In the case of MS software, this is intentional, not an oversight. Just to cite one example -- I for one would love to have the Macromedia Web development packages like Dreamweaver. I'd also love to set up a complete music studio on my Linux machine. I'm a former professional musician, and would love to have a Linux-based 8-track recording studio with complete functionality. Never mind that I also own a Mac clone and could set it up there, but have never gotten around to it. My Linux box is newer, faster, has better hardware, and is my system of choice. Never mind that there are so-called clones or functional equivalents of big name packages available. Those are not what I want. What I want is Dreamweaver, period. (And a variety of other commercial packages.) I for one would never buy a "clone" substitute. (I tried a couple of so-called substitute packages, and they sucked. StarOffice sucks, too. So does MS Office, but sometimes when you need it, you need *that*, so I have it on my Mac.) Furthermore, there is very little chance that most of the "good" applications will ever be available on Linux. I say this partly because I'm a 58-year-old laid-off casualty of the high-tech crash desperate for a job, and familiarity with a lot of things that I don't know about because I've never used them is looked for in job postings. I never bothered to learn them, because I never needed to know them in my previous job with Motorola Computer Group, where I used only Linux. I say it even though I've been exclusively a Unix guy (Linux the last three years or so) since 1983, and have *never* used a Microsoft system as my base of operations. And I say this even though whenever I whack at text, in any sense of the word, I have used nothing but versions of Emacs since 1987 (XEmacs since it first started), and do Web development directly in HTML or Perl CGI whenever I possibly can. (And LaTeX for text preparation. Etc.) Job recruiters don't care. All they see is that I don't know the application skills they are looking for, and that I don't even really know Windows very well. (I claim to know it. I've used NT and W2K a bit. How hard can it be? Give me a week and I'll be an expert.) It's almost enough to make a guy switch to using a Windows system. Clearly, MS has won the desktop war. Linux never had a chance in that arena. The only persons using Linux as a desktop are those idealists among us who have become jaded on Unix and have not yet given up the lost battle. (Like me.) -- Lynn David Newton Phoenix, AZ http://www.eecs.umich.edu/~lnewton