At 03:03 PM 11/12/01 -0700, you wrote: >I have total respect for Microsoft for their ability to sell >their point of view, and to get a showcase solution into place. >They have gotten where they are through a coherent, ambitious >product and marketing strategy, and Open Source won't get past >the guerilla stage unless its practitioners are every bit as >focused and hungry. It could be fun to watch. And/or painful. The very culture of open source, IMHO, is guerilla. This will not go away, I don't think. The reason for it is that the vast majority of people creating MUST split their focus so they can put food on the table. Open source work for most of those creating it is secondary to the primary endeavor of earning a living. Who will pay for a "coherent, ambitious product and marketing strategy" when the people creating the project get little to no money for it and the people happily getting the results don't expect to pay for it? How will it be funded? Example: I use Smoothwall (smoothwall.org) for my firewall. One of the updates to the distro added a "nag" screen on the admin interface saying that it is open source and free to use but please send a contribution. One of the authors of the distro started getting emailed and telephone death threats to remove the contribution "nag" screen, which he did for the safety of himself and his family (this is all documented on the smoothwall email list). They are providing a "free" product to a market that expects it to be free. A market that backlashes even just asking for an OPTIONAL contribution. In general, people who use and enjoy open source have developed an "entitlement" mentality and just expect that every thing will forever be "no cash cost." Without this revenue stream that IP software provides, a "coherent, ambitious product and marketing strategy" cannot be successfully created. This is not bad. The guerilla nature of it is one of the things I like about it. Alan