Okay when I first saw this thread I said to myself "Carl don't get into it. This threat could take up *days* of your time". But after reading follow ups I know I won't be able to sleep if I don't have my say. Okay One Micro$oft will *NOT* lose. okay did that sink in because. Linux won't lose either. They're playing *completly* different games. Micro$oft is trying to control the world of computing (and if they keep diversifying I'll just end that at "the world"). Linux is trying to make the best OS. Belive it or not. You don't need to own the Desktop market to prove that you have the best OS and Linux isn't really about proving anything to anyone anyway. I've always hated how the media pits us, the Linux community, against M$; but what I hate even more is how we've started listening. So let me say for the record That I have *zero* interest in having a computer that looks, feels, or in any other way resembles M$. I want a system BETTER than anything M$ could think up. And see that's where Linux excels. It gives us a choise. It gives us the opportunity to say "I don't like how that does this.Or how slow this is going. And we can *do* something about it. Linux was made by programmers FOR programmers. We are *NOT* trying to take over the world. There is still plenty of room for netBSD, FreeBSD, OS/2, BeOS , OSX, Solaris and any other OS out there. And while I would happly dance over the grave of M$ when it finally does die. (notice that *all* other OSes are getting closer and closer to *nix). I have no inner need to see Linux as the number one Desktop OS. I feel pretty confidant that Linux will be the biggest embedded OS. With the money IBM is throwing at Linux and the fact that Sun, and Oracle will soon be following. The fact that the internet was made for *nix. and still runs better on it. Are all just a *few* of the reasons why Linux will continue to be a better OS while M$ continues to take over the world. There will always be people who will use computers like an appliance. I wish OSX luck in grabbing a huge portion of that market. But then there are people like myself (and I'm sure most of this list) that uses their computers for tools to create things the world has never seen before. You just can't do that the way it needs to be done in a M$ world. Therefore there will be more developers leaving it. More system Admins refusing to guantee a system that has to use M$. And yes more home users willing to give up the easy way to have freedom. Freedom isn't "free" it never has been it never will be. The cost? You have to RTFM you, have to join groups like this one. You should want to contribute back. BTW I *finally* got my mp3s working with my soundcard. It took me awhile. But I now know more about mp3s than I even knew there was to know. And you can bet that someday that's going to come back to my community. While Linux continues to develop smarter and smarter programers who contribute back to it. M$ develops dumber and dumber computers users (I'm not name calling I'm just saying that they learn less and less about computers with each new version). Who couldn't contribute even if they wanted to. And that M$ will *never* be able to take aways from us. Let M$ run scared its about time that something is doing that to them. But that doesn't mean that we have to chase them. if we keep doing that we'll always be behind them and I have zero interest in that. Carl Parrish