I could get into www.msn.com with my Netscrape 4.77 browser, but not with Mozilla 0.9.5 - and the Terms of Use link at the bottom of the "Web Browser Upgrade" page won't open up in Mozilla. But the other links (including the "Advertising" link) will, so I guess they will gladly take my advertising money but not let me see the advertising on MSN. I was able to view those Terms of Use with Netscape, yawn. Lengthy as usual. MSNBC and the www.microsoft.com sites are still accessible with Mozilla, so they aren't trying to cut off all access to their empire if you aren't using their preferred software - for now. Oh well.... enjoy some humor: http://www.cirs.org/haha/disasterdan.html Patrick -- Patrick STODDARD E-mail: wd9ewk at yahoo dot com Glendale, Arizona, USA ICBM: 33.5 N 112.2 W