Jim, I have only attended one of the "regular" PLUG meetings, and it seemed just right to me. I think the format regulated itself well. Jim wrote: > Who would want to come at 6:30 to hear the > background information? You nailed it. Newbie meetings, even as a prelude to regular meetings, will just drive away the people who know that stuff. How about this: If a presentation is going to be based on any substantial Linux knowledge, then the presenter should think through a few prerequisites a few days before a meeting, and should post this list of subjects and terms to this list. Then anyone on the list who doesn't understand what those things are can start asking questions! Folks can post links and the discussion can simmer for a little while. By the time of the meeting, everyone should have at least a fighting chance to understand what's being discussed. The presenter will still have to fill in a few gaps, but it should help a lot to have had a little warning. And then any questioner who failed to do any homework should be put off for later. Note that some topics wouldn't need this. Rob's presentation on Visual Slick Edit for example was just an opportunity to see how the package looked and what it offered. I learned a lot in the unorganized discussions after the presentation. And "how to install Linux" is a big, BIG topic. It's always a mix of newbie and war-story stuff, and it certainly needs its own meeting. Or again, do the newbie stuff on the list. You never know what's going to save your bacon next week, and having those tips archived in writing is SO valuable! Vic