Bob > Interesting. So what is the percentage of expenditure on software > licensing versus other medical costs in the UK? Well, I think if we looked into things like total cost of the health service that have to run due to historical social and other local conditions then total costs would be in terms of billions of dollars. But ... we are the most highly over taxed country in western Europe and so there's plenty of public money about. Yes ... I know you will say that in terms of total public expenditure the total spend of $100 000 000 is not all that much. But ... the bill for software used to be less and it keeps on going up. I've had some very long discussions with all kinds of medical specialists over twenty years and just lately more than a few of them are geniunely worried about costs of computing. Some of them even come to our LUG meetings so that they can understand more about Linux. They even want to know about patient care packages that can be used with Linux. There are some around but I think they are still in development. There's also the standing argument about the NHS that they are no good at all at IT projects. Even if they outsource to an IT specialist it still goes wrong. You see the problems in managing the entire thing before we get round to the issue of how many people we lost last year ? > high, particularly due to litigation. I'm not convinced that > expenditures on software are significant enough to make the case > that patients are being put at risk by them. They are high, to be > sure, but I'm thinking (after careful re-reading of my e-mail) of > your original statement. It's a known fact that cost of litigation in the States puts up medical costs considerably. Some of those things do happen over here sometimes. But , generally the suggestion that someone in the NHS has to pay for anything other than drugs and hospitals and the other basics isn't a welcome subject for public debate and there are more than a few Government ministers who don't want to even talk about the awful subject of high cost software in the NHS. Bill Gates did make a visit to No:10 Downing Street which is the Priministers office. Tony Blairs popularity went downhill considerably when that happened. I can't say that Microsoft's public image was improved all that much either. Thanks -- Richard