>My point is this: If a law against cyrptography will not stop the bad guys >from using it, and it will only restrict free-speech and privacy rights, >the price on freedom is too high. The citizens loose freedom and very I guess we agree mostly, but you also stated this: "If a law against cyrptography will not stop the bad guys from using it..." This "if" is what I have trouble either accepting or refuting. I just don't know. But I am not by any means convinced that laws plus enforcement plus pressure on countries such as Germany fail to hinder criminals.