As long as we're ranting on this subject... Can sombody kindly explain to me how on the one hand Mr. Gates can assert with a straight face that the "browser" is an integral part of the operating system, and then explain how MS' Internet Explorer is more-or-less a "plugin" for Apple's operating system? Like, if Apple had a choice of browser (didn't they used to use Netscape?) and they got $175M from Bill to influence their decision, does that mean that IE is an integral part of OS-X now? In that case, does MS perhaps now "own" OS-X? Oh, yeah, and what about their noise about being so paranoid about "open source" licensing and how it's a "cancer" and virtually forces you to open source EVERYTHING that touches it -- that would mean the fact that since OS-X is mostly open source (derived from BSD), it would force MS to open source the entire code base for IE! I think people should start making requests of this (give out the source code for IE) to MS muckey mucks who bad-mouth open source. If what they're saying is correct, they'll admit they have to give you the source. Otherwise, they might just correct themselves in public. -David Schwartz