I was an ET2/SS, so you can figure my pay from there. I'm assuming you were up in the E-7 and above range to be making $45K (not adding in stupid stuff like what they say our medical and commissary privileges were worth). I figure in the NorVA area I was making about $30K as an E-5 (w/o the submarine pay since I didn't want to go back after shore duty). George Toft wrote: > > Hi DW, > > > $45K is less than I made in the Military as an Enlisted for the last > nine years I was there. Is that because the Military is paid too much? > No, we had people on food stamps. My wife made $45K with no college > required at AT&T in an occupational (non-management) position. > > I just took a $45K pay cut when my client cut my overtime. (Yes, > I am a contractor, but not independent.) The paper is full of ads that > pay more than $45K. > > > I really hope you mistyped that and meant "unreasonable" :) > > George > > Digital Wokan wrote: > > > > I have a daughter, so unless a company is going to pick up daycare, I > > think $45K is reasonable for a former all-in-one IT department. > > Especially when I was pulling $55K and was told by the CEO that I'd be > > raised to $65K in a year or when we went public, whichever came first. > > (3 weeks unemployed and climbing.) > > > > My biggest gripe is companies that don't advertise a position to anyone > > but recruiters and maybe a friend or two and then try to pass you over > > because you were sent to them by a recruiter. I'm *SO* sorry I can't be > > your NFL party buddy from years back, employers. > > > > Linux wrote: > > > > > > > Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 11:13:06 -0700 (PDT) > > > > From: Matt Alexander > > > > To: > > > > Subject: Re: Network Engineer > > > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > > > > > > I like the part about needing 5 years of experience with > > > > Win2K and other operating systems that haven't been > > > > out that long. It reminds me of a few years back when > > > > I was seeing job listings for "Senior Java Developer - > > > > Must have 8-10 years experience with > > > > Java programming in an Enterprise environment." > > > > > > > > > > I find these ads very humorous myself! > > > > > > > But you do make an interesting point. I think that > > > > those of us in this industry have been WAY overpaid > > > > for quite a few years now. > > > > > > I disagree. One has a reasonable expectation of make a living. $35,000 a > > > year is a start. There is a shortage of tech people why? Long Hours, Low > > > Pay, HIGH level of Responsibility! I can hang around a car lot 50 hours a > > > week and make $50,000 plus a year with little or no education. There is a > > > skill however it is a "soft" skill. I think most people can sell a car with > > > a couple weeks training and a few months coaching. Should you not make > > > atleast as much as a car salesman? > > > > > > I personally would refuse working for that kind of money unless I am > > > learning a ton. I hope we all refuse to work for $35,000 a year, post entry > > > level. > > > > > > > As the carnage from the > > > > dot-com bubble settles, I'm guessing that salaries > > > > will shrink back down to a more reasonable level. > > > > ~M > > > > > > Can you support your family in the Phoenix or Tucson area on $35,000 a year? > > > > > > Keith > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail.