I totally agree with Mike.  I now have four servers with Debian.  I used to 
have two with RedHat.  It took so much time for me and my administrator to 
watch and fix it that I was paying twice as much for administration as I 
should have been.

Since I have had the switch over to Debian (it's taken two months to 
migrate two production boxes over), it takes a matter of a few hours a week 
to fix problems.  And again, they are completely connected through 
virtually a terminal window.  I have one monitor, keyboard at the main NOC 
location.  I haven't used it in two months.

Debian is easy to install, easy to update and easy to manage.  Use it and 
you won't regret it.

Kimi

At 7/20/01 02:15 AM, you wrote:
>As a guy who began with Debian, I have one comment:
>I did not realize I was "under the hood".
>
>You bring up an interesting point which seems to promote
>how far the GUI/X has come in the past fewe years.
>
>I have about 7 servers running Deb, and wouldn't think
>of running anything else: They just work. Of course, they
>are all headless/mouseless/keyboardless. They do their job,
>I have little to do in mine :-)
>
>v/r
>Mike
>On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 12:55:27PM -0700, Jim wrote:
> > Just a point of clarification.  Debian (and Slackware) are the hackers 
> dreams
> > in terms of learning the guts of Linux.  But that doesnt mean you cant 
> learn
> > just as much with any of the others.  They just present you with a very
> > familiar type of GUI interface that makes using it right out of the box
> > easier.  You can still dig under the hood any time you want.
> >
> > On Thursday 19 July 2001 12:39, you wrote:
> > > If you really want to _learn_ linux, not just how to use it, but the
> > > technical nitty-gritty --Go with Debian.  If you want to simply use linux
> > > as you would use windows then Mandrake is probably best.
> > >
> > > There's no better way to learn than diving in.  Sink or swim.  I must 
> have
> > > re-installed Slackware 5,000 times when I first started learning linux.
> > >
> > > Blake Barnet
> > > Sr. Unix Administrator
> > > DevelopOnline
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Ron Russell [mailto:ron@siliconbuddha.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 11:43 AM
> > > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > > Subject: Introductions
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello all.  After my post to aztechlist I was referred over to here for
> > > being a good place to learn Linux stuff.
> > > I'm a Microsoft bigot and it looks like I'm turning to the dark side. <-
> > > Please don't flame me that was a joke.
> > >
> > > I'll be installing my first Linux OS this weekend and hopefully 
> getting it
> > > to dual boot with Win2k.  I haven't decided on a distribution yet, but it
> > > will probably be Redhat.  I've been told that I should get the redhat 
> Linux
> > > bible that has the 7.0 distribution so I think I'll be buying 
> that.  Is the
> > > Red Hat 7.0 distribution relatively current?
> > >
> > > And I'll be getting the O'Riley "Running Linux" book as well (due to
> > > popular opinion).
> > >
> > > Ron Russell - MCSE, CCNA, CNE
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