Ok, I just grabbed a copy of Redhat 7.1 from their distribution site, burned it to CD and installed it on a laptop. Tell me if I'm crazy, or is it normal for Linux distributions these days to ship with older KDE (this came with 1.1.2) and old buggy linux kernels (2.2.16). linux-2.2.16 seems to have some odd bug with the 3c57x controller. Weird messages appear in syslog such as "eth0: transmit timed out", and various other Tx/Rx errors. It surprises me that Redhat ships with this kernel. I'm new to the list so I was wondering what the general concensus is with Mandrake 8.0. My morning rant :) ->L + --_____________________________________________________________________-- + | | Lane Davis No man is an island, but if you take a bunch | | | | of dead guys and tie them together, they make | | | | Phone: 602-722-1200 a pretty good raft. | | + --_____________________________________________________________________-- +