ok, I've run into this enough and found virtually nothing in either the howto's or online documentation. it appears to be a permissions problem with teh X server. even though I have X forwarding through ssh tunnle turned on, the X server locally will not accept remote connections from anywhere through ssh (unless they originate from a "root" account). This problem did not exist with the version of X under 3.3.5 but cropped up with version 4.x. any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. one of the errors I get is: GTK Error: Connection to :10.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown). I would like to be able to use X apps without having to resort to Xvnc on the remote system (why tie up more cpu cycles and bandwidth?). HEEEEELP! Techomage Hawke ______________________________________________ Get FREE email at http://www.qwestdexmail.com!