\_ SMTP quoth KevinO on 5/9/2001 01:07 as having spake thusly: \_ \_ Not only are the OSs from Redmond full of holes, so are the services \_ running on the servers. IIS is a great example. Active Directory another. Ah, but don't forget the Morris Worm, the recent Lion worm, sendmail-hack-of-the-day, bind-hack-of-the-day, .... Pot, Kettle. Kettle, Pot. What would be amusing would be a superscanner by White Hats that would scan everything (even across airgaps + powered-down) and provide a scoreboard of OS x vulnerabilities. Me, I like the fact that I can arbitrarily shoot everything I don't want on my system, because I actually know what it does. I got a Loki game to run just fine on a 80Hz under min spec machine, because I could shoot everything but X and the demo. :-) David