ok, found a couple of problems after installing mandrake 7.2 I. when initializing the system, only root has sound from the audio device (in any desktop manager) and you have to add your usergroup to the audio group II. upon the above, attempting to start KDE as a USER results is total system freezeout requiring reset (definitely NOT GOOD) GNOME doesn't appear to suffer this problem. btw, aren't all local users on the box supposedto have rw privs to /dev/dsp? Hawke Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net