OK, I finally took the bit in the mouth and started chewing. I'm doing some php for my own learning benefit and because I need to do some stuff in it for work. on a side note: My mom is definitely a M$ drooler as she seemed to be under the impression that IIS and ASP was the most commonly used webserver/scripting language on the web. I've been telling her about php for the last year and only just this week was I finally able to show her that Microsoft was not GOD. heheh, those Netcraft surveys are useful for something. Hopefully I'll be able to wean her away from Micro$haft and into the *nix world (either *BSD or Linux).