This is my personal opinion, so please take as such. MCSE, MCSE MC.... are bunch of crap. People are promised great careers just because they take the cert. It is not true. These people are not skilled enough to do most of the sys admin stuff. The only thing those are good for is if you have ton of experience and some employer is deep into MS(hit) and He/She is willing to pay you extra money for holding the cert. Otherwise it is useless. I hear these commercials on the radio about how great you career is going to take off after you certified. Bunch of lies. They will take you 1200.00 and give you a useless papaer. Save the money and take some classes at the ASU or other college. Greg -----Original Message----- From: Tyler Hall [mailto:tyler@webFreaks.org] Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 9:48 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us Subject: Advice Part 2! :) Since nobody listened and posted all the messages to the list, I wanted to reply to a few of them: 1) I currently work as a Technician at a computer company, so my hands are always on the insides of computers, etc. I also run the linux server for my company. Theres just 6 people in the company, but they were going to pay $250 or whatever for WINGATE To run on NT, and I talked them into just doing it with Linux for free.. 2) I plan on getting a degree, but should I get a Microsoft Certified degree? Will that be useless in the future? I heard Cisco is pretty hot right now.. Cheers, Tyler Hall "Goddam it, you'll never get the Purple Heart hiding in a foxhole! Follow me!" - Captain Henry P. "Jim" Crowe (Guadalcanal, January 13, 1943) "The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. The sender's employer is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments."