That's what I did at my last job. My 30 seconds were focused on: How long at each job. Did he/she put the skills I asked for on the resume. Education. I had one resume that actually said Linux as a skill, as this was a Linux position (98% of the resumes had MS all over it). I asked him if he knew anything about Linux. He said "What do you mean?" I replied: "Do you know more than just how to spell it?" He responded by pressing one of the buttons on the phone keypad, and hung up on me. My reaction: Filing the resume in the "No Way" pile. We each have our ways of filtering candidates (or employers). George Alan Dayley wrote: > > In my experience getting a bachelor's degree in SOMETHING will open many > employment doors that will otherwise stay shut. This is especially true in > a downturn economy. While I use very little of the actual factual stuff of > my EE degree on a daily basis and haven't for years, I would not be working > where I am now at the salary I have now without the paper. > > Studies show that when a potential employer picks up your resume to review > it, he or she will decide in 7 seconds, on average, whether or not to keep > looking at it. Many times that 7 seconds is spent looking at education and > certifications. If they don't like what they see, the resume goes to the > "round file." > > In many ways all a degree proves is that you can follow a set of rules. > But, many employers won't even look at you seriously unless you have that > blessed piece of paper. > > However, YMMV. > > Alan > > At 11:57 AM 3/21/01 -0700, you wrote: > >I am going to disagree on one point. You don't necessarily need to get a CS > >degree. Go to college for something you want to learn, and that you can't > >easily teach yourself. I got a microbiology degree and after I graduated I > >was hired as a Unix sysadmin. If you are going to do computers as a job then > >go to school for it. If computers is your passion and you want to get paid > >for it, go to school for another one of your interests and gain work > >experience (school help desk, etc). Just my opinion though and I am sure > >that many will disagree. > > > >Joel Dudley > >Unix System Administrator > >DevelopOnline.com > >---------------------------------------- > >"For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the > >story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is > >about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, > >he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for > >centuries." > >- Dr. Robert Jastrow, Founder Goddard Space Flight Institute > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Deepak Saxena [mailto:deepak@csociety.purdue.edu] > >Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 11:07 AM > >To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > >Subject: Re: Advice > > > > > > > >My opinions (which i will probably get flamed for) > > > >1) Get some cheap hardware and start learning how to do things on your > > own as was mentioned before > >2) With those skills get an entry level job somewhere > >3) Save money and get a degree in CS, but while getting a degree in CS > > make sure you take some classes in low level stuff like architecture. > > Or if a full college degree is not what you're interesested in, just > > take the relevant classes or pick up a book. The key is don't > > just learn how to setup a network and a web server, etc, learn how > > this stuff works. > > > > Why step 3 you make ask? b/c IMHO having a good understanding of > > how computers work from top to bottom instead of just how to > > use the tools to do the job will let you do your job much better. > > It will also make you much more flexible down the road and I > > think it makes it easier to pick up new technologuies. > > People may disagree with this, but I have seen enough IT people > > (both Windows and Un*x) who have NO CLUE about how computers actually > > works that I would highly reccomend as much as you can about > > computers, not just high level networking stuff. > > > >~Deepak > > > >On Mar 21 2001, at 10:02, Tyler Hall was caught saying: > >> Greetings, > >> > >> I need your guy's advice, I'm hoping to get into the field of networking > >in the near future. Such as, managing a school or a company's network. > >I'm going to school right now at Chandler-Gilbert Community College, to get > >this stupid degree in "Microsoft Networking" I think it's a waste of my > >time and money. I'm looking for someone that is in that field, and would > >be willing to tell me, what steps I should take. I currently just graduated > >from high school, so i'm still young. Any advice would be helpful. > >> > >> Please reply privately, so we don't disturb the public list :) > >> > >> Tyler Hall > >> > >> "Goddam it, you'll never get the Purple Heart hiding in a foxhole! Follow > >me!" > >> - Captain Henry P. "Jim" Crowe (Guadalcanal, January 13, 1943) > > > >-- > >Deepak Saxena - deepak@csociety.purdue.edu - phone://602.790.0500 > > > >Code Monkey, MontaVista Software, Inc. - THE Embedded Linux Experts > > > >call me 'evil' call me 'tide is on your side' anything that you want > >anybody knows you can conjure anything by the dark of the moon > > - Tori Amos, "Suede" > > > >________________________________________________ > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post > >to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > >Plug-discuss mailing list - Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > >________________________________________________ > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > >Plug-discuss mailing list - Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > /------------------------------------------ > |Alan Dayley www.adtron.com > |Software Engineer 602-735-0300 x331 > |ADayley@adtron.com > | > |Adtron Corporation > |3710 E. 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