This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C0AD84.3E626CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This should give everyone a good picture of where UCITA stands for now. David ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Steve Tully=20 To: 'David Demland'=20 Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 11:08 AM Subject: RE: HB2041 - UCTIA I appreciate your comments. I do not believe this legislation will be = moving forward this year. -----Original Message----- From: David Demland [mailto:demland@home.com] Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 10:44 PM To: stully@azleg.state.az.us Subject: HB2041 - UCTIA Dear Representative Tully, Let me introduce myself, my name is David Demland. I have been a = software engineer for almost 14 years. Today I hold the title of Quality = Assurance, QA, Manager. I am currently working at a software company in = Phoenix. Not only do I work in the field but I also teach software = engineering type courses at the university level. To help easy an = incredible desire to learn I am also pursuing a masters degree in = Computer Information Systems, CIS. Not only do I consider myself an = expert in software development but my peers reinforce this by asking me = to give presentations and advice to local companies that are trying to = change the way they produce software and the quality of their products. = When it comes to software I speak from experience and from an attitude = of always rasing the bar of quality for software products. With this = said I want it to be clear that I am addressing you as a very = knowledgeable person from the software industry, an expert if you would. The reason for this letter is to address my concerns that HB2041, also = known as UCITA. I would like to make it clear from the start, this bill = is bad for the software industry as a whole and it is almost as dreadful = for the consumer as the depression. I submit the following information = as reasons to why this bill should die and never be resurrected in the = future. Before we can look at the bill itself we will take a look at how the = professional originations stand in regards to UCITA. The Association for = Computing Machinery, ACM, is an origination that was founded in 1947. It = was the first educational and scientific computer society in the world = (ACM). ACM is comprised of over 80,000 members in the computer industry = today. They do not support UCITA. The Institute for Electrical and = Electronic Engineers, IEEE, known for the standards they have produced = for the computer industry which has lead very high levels of = interoperability of systems. IEEE consist of 366,135 members in the = computer industry today. They to do not support UCITA (IEEE). The = America Society for Quality, ASQ, is the quality related side of = business, does not support UCITA (ASQ). The Software Engineering = Institute, SEI, which was established by the Department Of Defense, DOD, = to help the industry improve software development practices does not = support UCITA (SEI). Is it becoming clear that the professionals in the = industry do not support UCITA. If these are not enough, there are lawyers and law colleges that = oppose UCITA. The University of Arizona James E. Rogers College of Law, = has published a paper on why UCITA should be opposed (UofA). American = Library Association, ALA, does not support UCITA (ALA). The American = Association of Law Libraries, AALL, does not support UCITA (AALL). Cem = Kaner, a former software engineer and now lawyer, has a wealth of = information about UCITA from both a technical side and the consumer side = does not support UCITA (Kaner). Looking at just these oppositions, this bill maybe should not have = even been introduced. If this bill dealt with the medical profession, = and it had this kind of opposition, would the opinions of the medical = profession originations be overlooked, or glazed over? Or would these = originations carry weight with their opinions? I would hope that these = computer and law originations would carry some weight when it comes to = UCITA. Just remember that Microsoft, Oracle, Adobe, and Intel - all of = which have worked on and supported UCITA, have one group they answer to. = That is their shareholders. The consumer, at times, is a necessary evil = they have to live with, the customer is not who they have to server = first. With this said I would like to look at parts of the bill directly. 44-7202 Item 19, in this section, can be used to strip freedom of speech when = it comes to a software product. The terms "contractual use restriction" = is defined as "an enforceable term that defines or limits the use, = disclosure of, or access to licensed information or informational = rights, including a term that defines the scope of a license". In = 44-7307 it states "If a license expressly limits use of the information = or informational rights, use in any other manner is a breach of = contract". How do you justify to the consumer that open and honest = software product reviews will no longer be allowed after software = development companies put into their license that no information may be = published about their software without their approval? I would hope that = no one is naive enough to think that a software development company = would allow bad review of their product to be published. Just think what = would happen if a company can keep someone from publishing a bad report = on it's product. Where does this leave the consumer? 44-7265 This section makes it so that no one can filter their E-Mail any more. = This section says that even if a consumer does not know they have = received an E-Mail from a publisher they are assumed to have received = it. This means that if there is any E-Mail filtering to keep junk mail, = pornography, and any other unwanted E-Mail it will have to be turned = off. This is just so a consumer does not miss a change in the contract = agreement from a software publisher. How do you tell parents that their = children will have to sort through all this E-Mail just so the changes = made in the software agreement, after the software has purchased, is not = missed? Are parents expected to go through all E-Mail or allow children = to go through pornography E-Mail? What is the choice here? 44-7351 This section will allow post-sale disclaimer to be enforceable. This = is a novel idea. What about buy a car without being able to test drive = it but it is sold "as is". I do not know many people who would buy = anything without seeing it first, but now we are being told that it can = happen in software and the consumer can not return it for any reason. = What will be next? Am I the only one here to find this a very big = problem? Who would have ever thought of this as something the consumer = needs? It is not just the opposite of what needs to be done to protect = the consumer? 44-7352 This section allows software development companies to demonstrate a = differ product than what is shipped to the consumer. Under this section = a software development company can show a "Demo" version and ship the = consumer the shipping version that may not have all the features that = was shown to the consumer. Are we going to make the "Bait and switch" = legal now? Where is this in the consumer's best interest? 44-7403 This section allow software development companies to restrict transfer = of software. Now this may sound good at first but look at these impacts. = This goes far beyond copyright law. Under current conditions if a user = removes the software from their computer they may give the software to = someone else. This section removes that. This means that a when a family = is done with an encyclopedia, that is on CD, it can not give it to a = school for use. Are we saying that schools do not need these gifts any = more, or that the state will supply them at full cost instead of = allowing parents to get involved with the school? An other problem with this is that there will be no way used = bookstores and record stores can sell used software. How do we tell the = used software businesses in Arizona that you will have to close up and = do something else? I have seen these businesses in Phoenix and Tucson so = who will be the one to have to tell them that they are going to have to = close down? The ones I have seen seem to be small family businesses. Do = we really want to say to these businesses, and the world, that Arizona = will support only big business and forget the small business that we = have been built on? Are we ready to say that part of the American dream = is dead? 44-7501 This section will allow a material breach of contract to be determined = by a software development company. Do I have to go to far here? Who will = protect the consumer? Are we saying that software development companies = are going to be fair to the consumer when it come to this subject? Again = I ask: who is the software development company held accounted to? 44-7565 and 44-7566 These sections allow a software publisher to place a "back door" into = their software that may be used to disable the software remotely. I know = this may not sound to bad at first but lets put it into a little = different terms. What if you bough a car for $18,000.00 and two years = later the manufacture did not want to support it any longer and the = manufacture disabled the car from running and the only thing you could = do is to buy the newer model that now is $22,000.00. The car = manufacture's job became easy because they no longer have to have long = warranties, nor would they have to have extend time periods of making = parts or many other things. Why should a consumer be required to upgrade = a piece of software that meets their needs just because the development = company no longer wants to support that software and wants the consumer = to pay more money just to benefit the development company? What is the = difference? The second issue here is security. Just this past week it was reported = that "hacker" had stolen top secret U.S. Space code. This is from a very = high secured computer system. What happens to security on a desktop = computer when these back doors are put into every piece of software? How = does the consumer protect themselves from a security problem just = because an irate engineer leaves a company and wants to get even? What = if the engineer worked on Microsoft Money and used this back door to get = personal information? It has been reported on the news that with just a = Social Security Number, address, and a credit card number someone's = identity may be stolen. How do we protect the public's privacy? Just in closing I would like to make it clear, UCITA is just plain bad = law. With the number of professional originations that are against UCITA = it would seem that the practitioners are say stop before we do something = really stupid. Now is the time to act. Kill UCITA before it has a chance = to hurt the consumer. We will all live better without it. I would also = like you to ask yourself the next time someone says that UCITA is good, = ask who are they accountable to a company or the consumer. Thank You, David Demland 3506 E. Glenrosa Phoenix, AZ 85018 (602) 955-3248 References ACM - Association for Computing Machinery [On-line] Available: = http://info.acm.org IEEE - Electrical and Electronic Engineers [On-line] Available: = http://www.ieeeusa.org/forum/ POSITIONS/ucita.html ASQ - America Society for Quality [On-line] Available: = http://sqp.asq.org/vol1_issue4/ sqp_v1i4_kaner.html SEI - Software Engineering Institute [On-line] Available: = http://www.badsoftware.com/sei.htm UofA - University of Arizona [On-line] Available: = http://www.ala.org/washoff/ucita/ braucher.html ALA - American Library Association [On-line] Available: = http://www.ala.org/washoff/ucita/ AALL - American Association of Law Libraries [On-line] Available: = http:// www.ll.georgetown.edu/aallwash/so101399.html Cem Kaner - Bad software [On-line] Available: = http://www.badsoftware.com/ ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C0AD84.3E626CE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This should give everyone a good = picture of where=20 UCITA stands for now.
 
David
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Steve=20 Tully
To: 'David=20 Demland'
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 11:08 AM
Subject: RE: HB2041 - UCTIA

I=20 appreciate your comments. I do not believe this legislation will be = moving=20 forward this year.
-----Original Message-----
From: David Demland=20 [mailto:demland@home.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 10:44 = PM
To: stully@azleg.state.az.us
= Subject:=20 HB2041 - UCTIA

Dear Representative Tully,

Let me introduce myself, my name is David Demland. I have been a = software=20 engineer for almost 14 years. Today I hold the title of Quality = Assurance, QA,=20 Manager. I am currently working at a software company in Phoenix. Not = only do=20 I work in the field but I also teach software engineering type courses = at the=20 university level. To help easy an incredible desire to learn I am also = pursuing a masters degree in Computer Information Systems, CIS. Not = only do I=20 consider myself an expert in software development but my peers = reinforce this=20 by asking me to give presentations and advice to local companies that = are=20 trying to change the way they produce software and the quality of = their=20 products. When it comes to software I speak from experience and from = an=20 attitude of always rasing the bar of quality for software products. = With this=20 said I want it to be clear that I am addressing you as a very = knowledgeable=20 person from the software industry, an expert if you would.

The reason for this letter is to address my concerns that HB2041, = also=20 known as UCITA. I would like to make it clear from the start, this = bill is bad=20 for the software industry as a whole and it is almost as dreadful for = the=20 consumer as the depression. I submit the following information as = reasons to=20 why this bill should die and never be resurrected in the future.

Before we can look at the bill itself we will take a look at how = the=20 professional originations stand in regards to UCITA. The Association = for=20 Computing Machinery, ACM, is an origination that was founded in 1947. = It was=20 the first educational and scientific computer society in the world = (ACM). ACM=20 is comprised of over 80,000 members in the computer industry today. = They do=20 not support UCITA. The Institute for Electrical and Electronic = Engineers,=20 IEEE, known for the standards they have produced for the computer = industry=20 which has lead very high levels of interoperability of systems. IEEE = consist=20 of 366,135 members in the computer industry today. They to do not = support=20 UCITA (IEEE). The America Society for Quality, ASQ, is the quality = related=20 side of business, does not support UCITA (ASQ). The Software = Engineering=20 Institute, SEI, which was established by the Department Of Defense, = DOD, to=20 help the industry improve software development practices does not = support=20 UCITA (SEI). Is it becoming clear that the professionals in the = industry do=20 not support UCITA.

If these are not enough, there are lawyers and law colleges that = oppose=20 UCITA. The University of Arizona James E. Rogers College of Law, has = published=20 a paper on why UCITA should be opposed (UofA). American Library = Association,=20 ALA, does not support UCITA (ALA). The American Association of Law = Libraries,=20 AALL, does not support UCITA (AALL). Cem Kaner, a former software = engineer and=20 now lawyer, has a wealth of information about UCITA from both a = technical side=20 and the consumer side does not support UCITA = (Kaner).

Looking at just these oppositions, this bill maybe should not have = even=20 been introduced. If this bill dealt with the medical profession, and = it had=20 this kind of opposition, would the opinions of the medical profession=20 originations be overlooked, or glazed over? Or would these = originations carry=20 weight with their opinions? I would hope that these computer and law=20 originations would carry some weight when it comes to UCITA. Just = remember=20 that Microsoft, Oracle, Adobe, and Intel - all of which have worked on = and=20 supported UCITA, have one group they answer to. That is their = shareholders.=20 The consumer, at times, is a necessary evil they = have to live=20 with, the customer is not who they have to server first.

With this said I would like to look at parts of the bill = directly.

44-7202

Item 19, in this section, can be used to strip freedom of speech = when it=20 comes to a software product. The terms "contractual use restriction" = is=20 defined as "an enforceable term that defines or limits the use, = disclosure of,=20 or access to licensed information or informational rights, including a = term=20 that defines the scope of a license". In 44-7307 it states "If a = license=20 expressly limits use of the information or informational rights, use = in any=20 other manner is a breach of contract". How do you justify to the=20 consumer that open and honest = software=20 product reviews will no longer be allowed after software development = companies=20 put into their license that no information may be published about = their=20 software without their approval? I would hope that no one is naive = enough to=20 think that a software development company would allow bad review of = their=20 product to be published. Just think what would happen if a company can = keep=20 someone from publishing a bad report on it’s product. Where does = this leave=20 the consumer?

44-7265

This section makes it so that no one can filter their E-Mail any = more. This=20 section says that even if a consumer does not know they have received = an=20 E-Mail from a publisher they are assumed to have received it. This = means that=20 if there is any E-Mail filtering to keep junk mail, pornography, and = any other=20 unwanted E-Mail it will have to be turned off. This is just so a = consumer does=20 not miss a change in the contract agreement from a software publisher. = How do=20 you tell parents that their children will have to sort through all = this E-Mail=20 just so the changes made in the software agreement, after the software = has=20 purchased, is not missed? Are parents expected to go through all = E-Mail or=20 allow children to go through pornography E-Mail? What is the choice = here?

44-7351

This section will allow post-sale disclaimer to be enforceable. = This is a=20 novel idea. What about buy a car without being able to test drive it = but it is=20 sold "as is". I do not know many people who would buy anything without = seeing=20 it first, but now we are being told that it can happen in software and = the=20 consumer can not return it for any reason.=20 What will be next? Am I the only one here to find this a very big = problem? Who=20 would have ever thought of this as something the consumer needs? It is not just the opposite of what needs = to be=20 done to protect the consumer?

44-7352

This section allows software development companies to demonstrate a = differ=20 product than what is shipped to the consumer. Under this section a = software=20 development company can show a "Demo" version and ship the consumer = the=20 shipping version that may not have all the features that was shown to = the=20 consumer. Are we going to make the "Bait and switch" legal now? Where = is this=20 in the consumer’s best interest?

44-7403

This section allow software development companies to restrict = transfer of=20 software. Now this may sound good at first but look at these impacts. = This=20 goes far beyond copyright law. Under current conditions if a user = removes the=20 software from their computer they may give the software to someone = else. This=20 section removes that. This means that a when a family is done with an=20 encyclopedia, that is on CD, it can not give it to a school for use. = Are we=20 saying that schools do not need these gifts any more, or that the = state will=20 supply them at full cost instead of allowing parents to get involved = with the=20 school?

An other problem with this is that there will be no way used = bookstores and=20 record stores can sell used software. How do we tell the used software = businesses in Arizona that you will have to close up and do something = else? I=20 have seen these businesses in Phoenix and Tucson so who will be the = one to=20 have to tell them that they are going to have to close down? The ones = I have=20 seen seem to be small family businesses. Do we really want to say to = these=20 businesses, and the world, that Arizona will support only big business = and=20 forget the small business that we have been built on? Are we ready to = say that=20 part of the American dream is dead?

44-7501

This section will allow a material breach of contract to be = determined by a=20 software development company. Do I have to go to far here? Who will = protect=20 the consumer? Are we saying that software development companies are = going to=20 be fair to the consumer when it come to this subject? Again I ask: who = is the=20 software development company held accounted to?

44-7565 and 44-7566

These sections allow a software publisher to place a "back door" = into their=20 software that may be used to disable the software remotely. I know = this may=20 not sound to bad at first but lets put it into a little different = terms. What=20 if you bough a car for $18,000.00 and two years later the manufacture = did not=20 want to support it any longer and the manufacture disabled the car = from=20 running and the only thing you could do is to buy the newer model that = now is=20 $22,000.00. The car manufacture’s job became easy because they = no longer have=20 to have long warranties, nor would they have to have extend time = periods of=20 making parts or many other things. Why should a consumer be required = to=20 upgrade a piece of software that meets their needs just because the=20 development company no longer wants to support that software and wants = the=20 consumer to pay more money just to benefit the development company? = What is=20 the difference?

The second issue here is security. Just this past week it was = reported that=20 "hacker" had stolen top secret U.S. Space code. This is from a very = high=20 secured computer system. What happens to security on a desktop = computer when=20 these back doors are put into every piece of software? How does the=20 consumer protect themselves from = a=20 security problem just because an irate engineer leaves a company and = wants to=20 get even? What if the engineer worked on Microsoft Money and used this = back=20 door to get personal information? It has been reported on the news = that with=20 just a Social Security Number, address, and a credit card number = someone’s=20 identity may be stolen. How do we protect the public’s = privacy?

Just in closing I would like to make it clear, UCITA is just plain = bad law.=20 With the number of professional originations that are against UCITA it = would=20 seem that the practitioners are say stop before we do something really = stupid.=20 Now is the time to act. Kill UCITA before it has a chance to hurt the = consumer. We will all live better without it. I = would also=20 like you to ask yourself the next time someone says that UCITA is = good, ask=20 who are they accountable to a company or the consumer.

Thank You,

David Demland

3506 E. Glenrosa

Phoenix, AZ 85018

(602) 955-3248

References

ACM - Association for Computing Machinery [On-line] Available:=20 http://info.acm.org

IEEE - Electrical and Electronic Engineers [On-line] Available:=20 http://www.ieeeusa.org/forum/ POSITIONS/ucita.html

ASQ - America Society for Quality [On-line] Available:=20 http://sqp.asq.org/vol1_issue4/ sqp_v1i4_kaner.html

SEI - Software Engineering Institute [On-line] Available:=20 http://www.badsoftware.com/sei.htm

UofA - University of Arizona [On-line] Available:=20 http://www.ala.org/washoff/ucita/ braucher.html

ALA - American Library Association [On-line] Available:=20 http://www.ala.org/washoff/ucita/

AALL - American Association of Law Libraries [On-line] Available: = http://=20 www.ll.georgetown.edu/aallwash/so101399.html

Cem Kaner - Bad software [On-line] Available:=20 = http://www.badsoftware.com/

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