Where does cron get its umas settings from? it doesn't seem to get it from /etc/profile /etc/bashrc /etc/bash_profile /etc/ ~/.profile ~/.bashrc ~/.bash_profile ~/. is there a default system umask set anywhere for what permissions files will be created with? or is it only done in the source code of the program? and is there any way to overide it in cron other than running programs within a shell script and changing the umask within the script? useing the script method would mean doing it for each and every cron job ~1000 for one of our servers. Any help would be great thanks -- -- Bill Warner Direct Alliance Corp. Unix/Linux Admin.