\_ In defense of the retailers, however, My experience with Fry's is that the wetware doorscanners can be helpful, and are motivated to do so. I was walking off once without a discount/rebate coupon or something, and they marched my overpaying butt right back to the counter and demanded I get my $ back. Or something. It was a net gain in my favor though, and I think the wetware got a kickback from Fry's too (Hence the motivation). Although not all wetware doorscanners are likely to be created helpful. :-) A BOFH would point out that it wouldn't be hard to manufacture a receipt of sufficient detail to stun the wetware into letting you out the door with the elephant in a shoebox, and likely stun them enough to get them to *help* you load it into your vehicle. YMMV, IANAL. David