\_ ok, \_ I checked the logs to make sure there wasn't a problem and \_ guess what: something even wierder shows up.. \_ \_ approximate,y 4 minutes before the system locks and forces a reboot \_ (the hard way), all system logging appears to cease. no indications \_ of shutdown, or other activities. they just have a time gap in them. \_ \_ the restarts do show up though. Are four minute quiet gaps in your logs normal? I know on some of the systems I've seen, a 4 minute gap would be a small one. David