Last I heard, newbies had to hang upside down from their shorts while
writing VB code on a 486 back-lit laptop running Windows NT with no mouse.
:)  The pain!  The pain!

|That's the Fri night meetings. Thursdays we hang new attendees upside down
|in the back and make them write device drivers in bourne shell. If they
|get uppity we make them write python without a space bar or tab ;-).