\_ So post your image! lessee, I thought about attaching it, but figured everyone didn't necessarily want a 1600x1200 resolution image in their email. next, I thought about putting it on a website, but not everyone is gonna want to download it from there either. so, being the kind, bandwidth saving sole, I have converted the image via pmbtoascii (no, really), then compressed it, then tweaked it for basic reality, and I present it forthwith: :-) darn! it looks like pbmtoascii rotated the image! I knew I shouldn't have used --landscape on pbmtoascii. Oh well. David