\_ If you want to make sure a file goes bye-bye try srm, secure rm (I \_ haven't). IIRC, there was a discussion about a secure rm like thing on BUGTRAQ not too long ago and basically it was saying rude things about a) swap and b) that any current linux-based "secure removal" tool was doomed to fail, probably when you thought it was really needed. I think the tool was 'scratch' or 'scrub' or something like that. There was much larting to be had by all on that topic. The solution was to use only a crypted filesystem in the first place. That way the data bits will be lost in the noise. BTW, they aren't necessarily security experts, but they play them on BUGTRAQ. David