Also, there is free Internet access in Paradise Valley Mall already, the others cant be far behind. -Justin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lucas Vogel" To: Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 9:37 AM Subject: RE: New business startup help/suggestions/info needed > The airport is already covered; they have Laptop Lane. But the mall(s) might > be a good idea... > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tilby, Lynn # PHX [mailto:LTilby@simatics.com] > > Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 9:12 AM > > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > Subject: New business startup help/suggestions/info needed > > > > > > Cyber-Cafe suggestions: > > > > Try Malls & the airport... I recently tried to use a terminal > > connection > > place at SLC airport and found out they had only been open a > > couple of weeks > > and were overbooked! A cyber-cafe at each terminal building > > in the Airport > > I think would do VERY well! > > > > Put together a spread sheet. Cross your t's and dot your > > i's! If you are > > disabled you should have NO! problem finding funding all over > > the place!!!! > > The ONLY problem is filling out all the paper work! This is doable!! > > > > Lynn P. Tilby > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > [SMTP:plug-discuss-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us] > > > Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 8:58 AM > > > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > Subject: Plug-discuss digest, Vol 1 #436 - 18 msgs > > > > > > > > > Send Plug-discuss mailing list submissions to > > > plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the web, visit > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > > plug-discuss-request@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > > plug-discuss-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more > > specific than > > > "Re: Contents of Plug-discuss digest..." > > > > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > > > 1. Re: Linux Today (Jim) > > > 2. python: string.replace(..) won't work (Lucas Vogel) > > > 3. Re: diffing special chars (plug@arcticmail.com) > > > 4. Re: diffing special chars (plug@arcticmail.com) > > > 5. RE: python: string.replace(..) won't work (Lucas Vogel) > > > 6. DeCSS Time-Warner Hypocrisy (Mike Cantrell) > > > 7. Re: DeCSS Time-Warner Hypocrisy (Jim) > > > 8. Re: python: string.replace(..) won't work (der.hans) > > > 9. Re: diffing special chars (der.hans) > > > 10. Re: diffing special chars (der.hans) > > > 11. JLF = Kibo ? (Dennis Sacks) > > > 12. Re: JLF = Kibo ? (Alan Dayley) > > > 13. RE: JLF = Kibo ? (Michael Sheldon) > > > 14. RE: diffing special chars (Lucas Vogel) > > > 15. The Linux Drivers Petition (Lucas Vogel) > > > 16. New business startup help/suggestions/info needed (Hawke) > > > 17. Re: JLF = Kibo ? (J.L.Francois) > > > 18. Re: New business startup help/suggestions/info needed > > (Dennis Sacks) > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > > > Message: 1 > > > From: Jim > > > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > Subject: Re: Linux Today > > > Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:24:53 -0700 > > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > > > > Never mind - it seems to be back up and running > > > > > > On Fri, 25 Aug 2000, you wrote: > > > > Anyone else having trouble getting to the linuxtoday.com website? > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > Always practice safe HEX > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if > > your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > Plug-discuss mailing list - > > Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > -- > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > Always practice safe HEX > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > > > Message: 2 > > > From: Lucas Vogel > > > To: plug1 > > > Subject: python: string.replace(..) won't work > > > Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:54:18 -0700 > > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > > > > Could someone take a look at this and tell me what's wrong at > > > string.replace()? > > > > > > #Begin code--------------------- > > > > > > import string, os, sys, re > > > > > > fName = sys.argv[1] > > > s1 = sys.argv[2] > > > s2 = sys.argv[3] > > > > > > f=open(fName,'rw') > > > > > > s=f.read() > > > > > > print "string.replace(" + `s` + ", " + `s1` + ", " + `s2` + ")" > > > string.replace(s,s1,s2) > > > > > > > > > print "s is now: " + `s` + "\n" > > > > > > > > > #end code----------------------- > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------- > > > Lucas Vogel, Software Developer > > > LandWarrior Project > > > Exponent Inc. > > > lvogel@exponent.com > > > phone: (623)587-6739 > > > fax: (623)587-4187 > > > ------------www.exponent.com--------------- > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > > > Message: 3 > > > Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:18:04 -0700 > > > From: plug@arcticmail.com > > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > Subject: Re: diffing special chars > > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > > > > > > > Seems odd that GNU "diff -r" won't recursively diff > > > the dirs (akin to "dircmp") without choking on filenames > > > that have evil characters. The GNU stuff is usually > > > pretty good. > > > > > > Instead of "tr", could you tell GNU find not to do its > > > shell metacharacter autoescaping thing, and pipe find's > > > output through "strings -a" to strip out the evil > > > characters? > > > > > > Admittedly, the perl solutions are MUCH better, but > > > this technique might "get you by." > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > * On Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 05:58:08PM -0700, der.hans wrote: > > > > Am 24. Aug, 2000 schwäzte shadoiOsoulmachine.com so: > > > > > > > > > Maybe piping the output from ls -b or find to tr with > > some options > > > > > would do the trick.. Maybe using grep to pull out only > > the ones you > > > > > want to fix for speed.. > > > > > > > > With tr I have to take into account all the special chars > > :(. It won't > > > > change "\ " into " ", since it only works on single chars. Rod's > > > > suggestion of sed looks like it should work, if I can get > > sed to behave > > > > the way it seems it should or failing that find out how > > sed actually > > > > behaves :). That would actually fix something else for me as well. > > > > > > > > For now I'm using perl on the file after it was created. > > Already had to > > > do > > > > that for something else, so it's not a great sin, just > > something else to > > > > try to move back to shell later on :). > > > > > > > > ciao, > > > > > > > > der.hans > > > > -- > > > > H der.hansOLuftHans.com home.pages.de/~lufthans/ > > www.Opnix.com > > > > H Help Jerry Lewis stamp out M$...oops that's MDA - der.hans > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if > > your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > Plug-discuss mailing list - > > Plug-discussOlists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > > > Message: 4 > > > Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:28:55 -0700 > > > From: plug@arcticmail.com > > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > Subject: Re: diffing special chars > > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > > > > > > > Regex Law One: > > > > > > One can easily create a regex. > > > > > > Regex Law Two: > > > > > > In the time required to decipher a regex, > > > even a regex written by yourself, one could > > > have created a new regex from scratch in > > > one-tenth the time, because of Law One. > > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > * On Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 08:24:21PM -0700, J.L.Francois wrote: > > > > I just took a look thru my copy of > > > > Mastering Regular Expressions ( O'Reilly ) a.k.a The Owl Book. > > > > > > > > It looks like this can be done in bash but I am not > > willing to spend > > > > the time creating something that no one will ever be able to > > > > read or modify. It looks a lot easier in Perl. > > > > > > > > Trust me, anyone that has done RegExp scripting knows what I mean > > > > when I say a regexp takes one week to being incomprehensible. > > > > > > > > Get the book and give it a shot. It should be worth it. > > > > > > > > JLF Sends... > > > > > > > > It seems like on Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 05:58:08PM -0700, der.hans > > > scribbled: > > > > Orig Msg> Am 24. Aug, 2000 schwäzte shadoi@soulmachine.com so: > > > > Orig Msg> > > > > Orig Msg> > Maybe piping the output from ls -b or find to > > tr with some > > > options > > > > Orig Msg> > would do the trick.. Maybe using grep to pull > > out only the > > > ones you > > > > Orig Msg> > want to fix for speed.. > > > > Orig Msg> > > > > Orig Msg> With tr I have to take into account all the > > special chars :(. > > > It won't > > > > Orig Msg> change "\ " into " ", since it only works on > > single chars. > > > Rod's > > > > Orig Msg> suggestion of sed looks like it should work, if > > I can get sed > > > to behave > > > > Orig Msg> the way it seems it should or failing that find > > out how sed > > > actually > > > > Orig Msg> behaves :). That would actually fix something > > else for me as > > > well. > > > > Orig Msg> > > > > Orig Msg> For now I'm using perl on the file after it was created. > > > Already had to do > > > > Orig Msg> that for something else, so it's not a great sin, just > > > something else to > > > > Orig Msg> try to move back to shell later on :). > > > > Orig Msg> > > > > Orig Msg> ciao, > > > > Orig Msg> > > > > Orig Msg> der.hans > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if > > your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > Plug-discuss mailing list - > > Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > > > Message: 5 > > > From: Lucas Vogel > > > To: plug1 > > > Subject: RE: python: string.replace(..) won't work > > > Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:30:55 -0700 > > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > > > > Holy cow! Talk about dumb mistakes. I need to catch the output from > > > string.replace into another variable. Sorry for the > > traffic, everyone. > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Lucas Vogel > > > > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 12:54 PM > > > > To: plug1 > > > > Subject: python: string.replace(..) won't work > > > > > > > > > > > > Could someone take a look at this and tell me what's wrong at > > > > string.replace()? > > > > > > > > #Begin code--------------------- > > > > > > > > import string, os, sys, re > > > > > > > > fName = sys.argv[1] > > > > s1 = sys.argv[2] > > > > s2 = sys.argv[3] > > > > > > > > f=open(fName,'rw') > > > > > > > > s=f.read() > > > > > > > > print "string.replace(" + `s` + ", " + `s1` + ", " + `s2` + ")" > > > > string.replace(s,s1,s2) > > > > > > > > > > > > print "s is now: " + `s` + "\n" > > > > > > > > > > > > #end code----------------------- > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------- > > > > Lucas Vogel, Software Developer > > > > LandWarrior Project > > > > Exponent Inc. > > > > lvogel@exponent.com > > > > phone: (623)587-6739 > > > > fax: (623)587-4187 > > > > ------------www.exponent.com--------------- > > > > > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > > > Message: 6 > > > Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:35:05 -0700 (MST) > > > From: Mike Cantrell > > > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > Subject: DeCSS Time-Warner Hypocrisy > > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > > > > This was just posted on slashdot.. I love the irony... > > apparently CNN > > > (owned by Time-Warner) linked to a list of DeCSS mirrors: > > > > > > > > http://scriptingnews.userland.com/backIssues/2000/08/25#anothe > > rProblemForT > > > imewarner > > > > > > Regards, > > > Mike Cantrell > > > > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > > > Message: 7 > > > From: Jim > > > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > Subject: Re: DeCSS Time-Warner Hypocrisy > > > Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:51:24 -0700 > > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > > > > The link is now gone, but it does point to the total > > hipocracy of the > > > $-brubbers. Another interesting point to consider is the > > amicus briefs > > > filed supporting (?) Napster's position right below the CNN story. > > > > > > (both are posted on slashdot) > > > > > > On Fri, 25 Aug 2000, you wrote: > > > > This was just posted on slashdot.. I love the irony... > > apparently CNN > > > > (owned by Time-Warner) linked to a list of DeCSS mirrors: > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://scriptingnews.userland.com/backIssues/2000/08/25#anothe > > rProblemForT > > > imewarner > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Mike Cantrell > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if > > your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > Plug-discuss mailing list - > > Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > -- > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > Always practice safe HEX > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > > > Message: 8 > > > Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:11:19 -0700 (MST) > > > From: "der.hans" > > > To: plug1 > > > Subject: Re: python: string.replace(..) won't work > > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > > > > Am 25. Aug, 2000 schwäzte Lucas Vogel so: > > > > > > > Could someone take a look at this and tell me what's wrong at > > > > string.replace()? > > > > > > Lucas, > > > > > > you should drop these questions on the devel list :). Can't > > help you with > > > python, though :(. Maybe we should see if Jiva is Kiboizing > > as well as JLF > > > :). > > > > > > I'll leave the junk at the bottom for once, just in case he is... > > > > > > ciao, > > > > > > der.hans > > > > > > > #Begin code--------------------- > > > > > > > > import string, os, sys, re > > > > > > > > fName = sys.argv[1] > > > > s1 = sys.argv[2] > > > > s2 = sys.argv[3] > > > > > > > > f=open(fName,'rw') > > > > > > > > s=f.read() > > > > > > > > print "string.replace(" + `s` + ", " + `s1` + ", " + `s2` + ")" > > > > string.replace(s,s1,s2) > > > > > > > > > > > > print "s is now: " + `s` + "\n" > > > > > > > > > > > > #end code----------------------- > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------- > > > > Lucas Vogel, Software Developer > > > > LandWarrior Project > > > > Exponent Inc. > > > > lvogel@exponent.com > > > > phone: (623)587-6739 > > > > fax: (623)587-4187 > > > > ------------www.exponent.com--------------- > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if > > your mail doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > Plug-discuss mailing list - > > Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > # der.hans@LuftHans.com home.pages.de/~lufthans/ www.Opnix.com > > > # Knowledge is useless unless it's shared. - der.hans > > > > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > > > Message: 9 > > > Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:16:26 -0700 (MST) > > > From: "der.hans" > > > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > Subject: Re: diffing special chars > > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > > > > Am 25. Aug, 2000 schwäzte sinck@ugive.com so: > > > > > > > > > > > \_ For now I'm using perl on the file after it was > > created. Already had > > > to do > > > > \_ that for something else, so it's not a great sin, just > > something else > > > to > > > > \_ try to move back to shell later on :). > > > > > > > > You make it sound so hard: > > > > > > > > lartmebofh% perl foo.pl > > > > <...> > > > > lartmebofh% cat > foo.sh > > > > #!/bin/sh > > > > > > > > perl foo.pl > > > > ^D > > > > lartmebofh% chmod +x foo.sh > > > > lartmebofh% foo.sh > > > > <...> > > > > lartmebofh% > > > > > > > > simple as pie. > > > > > > Not for the newbie trying to understand what's going on, > > which is the > > > point of the exercise :). > > > > > > ciao, > > > > > > der.hans > > > -- > > > # der.hans@LuftHans.com home.pages.de/~lufthans/ www.Opnix.com > > > # Knowledge is useless unless it's shared. - der.hans > > > > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > > > Message: 10 > > > Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:30:31 -0700 (MST) > > > From: "der.hans" > > > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > Subject: Re: diffing special chars > > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > > > > Am 25. Aug, 2000 schwäzte Kevin Buettner so: > > > > > > > I used to do a lot of shell programming. I don't > > anymore. If I find > > > > myself writing a shell script that ends up being longer > > than six lines > > > > (or so), I switch to Perl. > > > > > > I'm moving that direction. I'll admit, however, that I make a lot of > > > system calls in my nukeandpuke perl scripts :). > > > > > > > I'm puzzled by this statement. In the script I sent, you ended up > > > > with the names of all of the files in a single (array) variable so > > > > they could be sorted later on. The actual contents of > > the files were > > > > never actually read. Surely you don't mean that your > > filename data is > > > > 60+MB, do you? > > > > > > Yup. I'm not talking about the contents of the files, but I > > like David's > > > compression mechanism. I'll have to ask him more about it > > ;-). I'm doing a > > > listing of everything on the system, which then goes for > > backups. Most > > > people (and myself most of the time) won't have this much, > > but right now I > > > do :). Ever seen a shell using 150MB of memory? :) It's a > > great way to > > > kill init... > > > > > > The only reason I mentioned it was file listings instead of > > just being > > > random, but in the same order, strings is that I'm > > interested in getting > > > find and tar to list the files the same way. > > > > > > Oh, and yes, I know this ain't the best way to do this > > computer-wise, but > > > I'm trying to get something simple that beginners can sink > > they're teeth > > > into. > > > > > > > Regardless, you really do need to do the sort, because > > you can't rely > > > > on find (or Perl's File::Find) to list the files in any particular > > > > order. If you want to diff two lists of files to see what's been > > > > > > Actually, I do fine. Things get written in the original > > order, then read > > > back in the order they were written, so I'm fine. > > > > > > > added or deleted, you'll need to do some ordering on the > > list. You > > > > > > The goal is for the lists to be the same. Once I have the > > failover working > > > I'll see if a checksum works right when they do match, but > > the failover > > > has to work and I have to get everything written in the same format. > > > > > > > don't need to sort in perl though. You could just use > > the sort program, > > > > but AFAIK, the data will still end up in memory. > > > > > > Yup. > > > > > > BTW, this went to discuss instead of devel because I > > thought it more of a > > > "how to config tar and find to work the same" rather than a devel > > > question. Guess I was wrong :). > > > > > > ciao, > > > > > > der.hans > > > -- > > > # der.hans@LuftHans.com home.pages.de/~lufthans/ www.Opnix.com > > > # The only way for a woman to change a man > > > # is if he's wearing Depends[TM] - der.hans > > > > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > > > Message: 11 > > > From: "Dennis Sacks" > > > To: > > > Subject: JLF = Kibo ? > > > Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:28:21 -0700 > > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hehe...gotta be careful where you say you're kiboizing. :-) > > > > > > > > > > Sadly, how many people on the Internet these days even know > > who Kibo is? > > > > > > Dennis Sacks > > > dennis@illusions.com > > > Managed Services Geek, OpNIX, Inc. www.opnix.com > > > > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > > > Message: 12 > > > Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 22:28:19 -0700 > > > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > From: Alan Dayley > > > Subject: Re: JLF = Kibo ? > > > > > > <14758.35676.914433.130415@owmyeye.ugive.com> > > > <20000825090152.03102@magusnet.com> > > > <14758.40314.285877.475803@owmyeye.ugive.com> > > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > > > > I admit to being on the internet for at least 7 years and still not > > > knowing > > > who Kibo is. Enlighten me please. > > > > > > Alan, Computer Knowledgeable Linux Newbie > > > > > > At 09:28 AM 8/25/00 -0700, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hehe...gotta be careful where you say you're kiboizing. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > >Sadly, how many people on the Internet these days even > > know who Kibo is? > > > > > > > >Dennis Sacks > > > >dennis@illusions.com > > > >Managed Services Geek, OpNIX, Inc. www.opnix.com > > > > > > > > > > > >________________________________________________ > > > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your > > mail doesn't > > > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > >Plug-discuss mailing list - Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > > > Message: 13 > > > From: "Michael Sheldon" > > > To: > > > Subject: RE: JLF = Kibo ? > > > Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 23:11:09 -0700 > > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > > > > Kibo was the god of grep. > > > > > > He had a routine that would search the newsgroups, *ALL* of the > > > newsgroups, > > > for any mention of his name, to which you would get a reply. > > > > > > I got my first shell account about 8-9 years ago, and he > > was net.legend > > > then. > > > > > > Michael J. Sheldon > > > http://www.desertraven.com/ > > > Make a fast friend, adopt a greyhound! > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us]On > > Behalf Of Alan > > > Dayley > > > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 22:28 > > > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > Subject: Re: JLF = Kibo ? > > > > > > > > > I admit to being on the internet for at least 7 years and still not > > > knowing > > > who Kibo is. Enlighten me please. > > > > > > Alan, Computer Knowledgeable Linux Newbie > > > > > > At 09:28 AM 8/25/00 -0700, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hehe...gotta be careful where you say you're kiboizing. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > >Sadly, how many people on the Internet these days even > > know who Kibo is? > > > > > > > >Dennis Sacks > > > >dennis@illusions.com > > > >Managed Services Geek, OpNIX, Inc. www.opnix.com > > > > > > > > > > > >________________________________________________ > > > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your > > mail doesn't > > > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > >Plug-discuss mailing list - Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your > > mail doesn't > > > post > > > to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > Plug-discuss mailing list - Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > > > Message: 14 > > > From: Lucas Vogel > > > To: "'plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us'" > > > > > > Subject: RE: diffing special chars > > > Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 00:06:14 -0700 > > > charset="iso-8859-15" > > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > > > > I bet there is a python function somewhere waiting for you > > to stumble on > > > it! > > > :) I spend about a half a day today trying to figure out > > how to use python > > > for a really dinky little script, but I really came away > > very impressed > > > with > > > the sheer power of the language. I am a fan, and I will > > double my efforts > > > to > > > use it wherever possible in my Win32 environment at work, > > and definitely > > > at > > > home in my 100% Linux environment. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: der.hans [mailto:PLUGd@lufthans.com] > > > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 5:31 PM > > > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > Subject: Re: diffing special chars > > > > > > > > > Am 25. Aug, 2000 schwäzte Kevin Buettner so: > > > > > > > I used to do a lot of shell programming. I don't > > anymore. If I find > > > > myself writing a shell script that ends up being longer > > than six lines > > > > (or so), I switch to Perl. > > > > > > I'm moving that direction. I'll admit, however, that I make a lot of > > > system calls in my nukeandpuke perl scripts :). > > > > > > > I'm puzzled by this statement. In the script I sent, you ended up > > > > with the names of all of the files in a single (array) variable so > > > > they could be sorted later on. The actual contents of > > the files were > > > > never actually read. Surely you don't mean that your > > filename data is > > > > 60+MB, do you? > > > > > > Yup. I'm not talking about the contents of the files, but I > > like David's > > > compression mechanism. I'll have to ask him more about it > > ;-). I'm doing a > > > listing of everything on the system, which then goes for > > backups. Most > > > people (and myself most of the time) won't have this much, > > but right now I > > > do :). Ever seen a shell using 150MB of memory? :) It's a > > great way to > > > kill init... > > > > > > The only reason I mentioned it was file listings instead of > > just being > > > random, but in the same order, strings is that I'm > > interested in getting > > > find and tar to list the files the same way. > > > > > > Oh, and yes, I know this ain't the best way to do this > > computer-wise, but > > > I'm trying to get something simple that beginners can sink > > they're teeth > > > into. > > > > > > > Regardless, you really do need to do the sort, because > > you can't rely > > > > on find (or Perl's File::Find) to list the files in any particular > > > > order. If you want to diff two lists of files to see what's been > > > > > > Actually, I do fine. Things get written in the original > > order, then read > > > back in the order they were written, so I'm fine. > > > > > > > added or deleted, you'll need to do some ordering on the > > list. You > > > > > > The goal is for the lists to be the same. Once I have the > > failover working > > > I'll see if a checksum works right when they do match, but > > the failover > > > has to work and I have to get everything written in the same format. > > > > > > > don't need to sort in perl though. You could just use > > the sort program, > > > > but AFAIK, the data will still end up in memory. > > > > > > Yup. > > > > > > BTW, this went to discuss instead of devel because I > > thought it more of a > > > "how to config tar and find to work the same" rather than a devel > > > question. Guess I was wrong :). > > > > > > ciao, > > > > > > der.hans > > > -- > > > # der.hans@LuftHans.com home.pages.de/~lufthans/ www.Opnix.com > > > # The only way for a woman to change a man > > > # is if he's wearing Depends[TM] - der.hans > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your > > mail doesn't > > > post > > > to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > Plug-discuss mailing list - Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > > > Message: 15 > > > From: Lucas Vogel > > > To: "PLUG (E-mail)" > > > Subject: The Linux Drivers Petition > > > Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 00:27:58 -0700 > > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > > > > Has everyone signed this yet? > > > > > > http://www.libralinux.com/petition.english.html > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------- > > > Lucas Vogel, Software Developer > > > Exponent Failure Analysis Associates, Inc. > > > lvogel@exponent.com > > > (623)587-6739 > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > > > Message: 16 > > > Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 05:10:16 -0700 > > > From: Hawke > > > To: plug-discuss > > > Subject: New business startup help/suggestions/info needed > > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > > > > Guys, > > > I've been putting this thing off long enough. > > > > > > I now need some help. > > > > > > I'd like to start a business that involves the use of computers > > > in a small location that serves the public (A cybercafe'). > > > > > > I would appreciate any additional input here 9especially from > > > those who are either owners or major contributing partners > > > in their respective organizations). > > > > > > I am also in need of funding sources (if you guys know of any > > > where grants may be issued, etc, please let me know) > > > > > > I am looking at 2 alternatives so far as the hardware is concerned: > > > 1. 25 workstations (diskless) > > > specifications (workstations): > > > memory: 256 megabytes > > > video; 8 megabytes or more > > > embedded linux os for loading Xwindows (or windows > > if need be) > > > on an ethernet backbone to a main server (100baseT). > > > Large monitors (17 inch or greater) > > > CPU: athelon 550 Mhz or higher > > > (on some machines I will include "special access technology" > > > for the visually impaired) > > > > > > Alternative 2: > > > 25 workstations (permanently mounted laptops) > > > built in HDD's (restricted access) > > > 100BaseT ethernet with embedded linux OS > > > CPU: Athelon 550 Mhz or higher > > > > > > Server: > > > CPU:Athelon 700 Mhz or greater > > > Memory: 512 megabytes or greater > > > HDD: Multiple 30 gigbye drives/RAID/SCSI > > > Standard vid adaptor (this is also the admin station) > > > OS: linux/BSD/SCO Unix/SUN Solaris/winNT > > > (any of these, but prefer *nix) > > > 2 Ethernet adaptors (100BaseT or fiber interface) > > > > > > other equipment: 50 way switch (100BaseT) > > > Routing panel > > > card reader > > > > > > It has been suggested to me that I issue cards of prepaid time > > > (such as 30 minute, 60 minute, up to 1000 minutes) for > > various prices. > > > The cost is computed on a per-minute basis and the larger cards > > > would reflect a discount). > > > > > > As always, location is important. since there are already 3 such > > > places around ASU, I plan to look elsewhere (such as central > > > Phoenix, downtown Phoenix, Downtown glendale and north glendale) > > > > > > I am looking at possible bidquotes for both alternatives > > listed above > > > from local providers 9such as technology partners, pc-club, > > and others). > > > > > > I am also looking at who would offer the best backbone service > > > (or should I go with more than one with an in-house peering > > > arrangement?), such as Cox, AT&T, QWEST, Sprint, MCI. > > > > > > Let me know if I need to add anything to this. > > > I am trying to get this idea going as quickly as possible. > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > > > Message: 17 > > > Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 07:40:19 -0700 > > > From: "J.L.Francois" > > > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > Subject: Re: JLF = Kibo ? > > > Reply-To: jlf@magusnet.gilbert.az.us > > > Organization: MagusNet, Inc. Design * Develop * Integrate > > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > > > > It seems like on Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 10:28:19PM -0700, Alan Dayley > > > scribbled: > > > Orig Msg> I admit to being on the internet for at least 7 > > years and still > > > not knowing > > > Orig Msg> who Kibo is. Enlighten me please. > > > Orig Msg> > > > Orig Msg> Alan, Computer Knowledgeable Linux Newbie > > > > > > Back during the time of The Great Renaming I was still > > using Fido Gateways > > > and got > > > an account on Delphi for text based Internet Access. > > > > > > Kibo - Net Legend > > > Before the Great Renaming of Usenet and the arrival > > of the unwashed > > > masses > > > to the Internet, Kibo would grep the news spool and > > generate an > > > autoresponse > > > to any post that mentioned him. > > > if you look at the options for (X)Emacs there is a feature > > > to still Kiboize newsgroups even though it really isn't > > > feasible to do this anymore. > > > > > > For those of you into the history of the Internet take a > > look at these: > > > http://www.galactic-guide.com/articles/6U1.html > > > http://www.kibo.com > > > > > > > > > Sniff....those were the days...sniff... > > > > > > JLF Sends... > > > > > > > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > > > Message: 18 > > > From: "Dennis Sacks" > > > To: > > > Subject: Re: New business startup help/suggestions/info needed > > > Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 20:59:26 -0700 > > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > > > > One concern about cyber cafes - have any of them been > > successful anywhere? > > > I've never been in one that has had many customers. I like > > the idea of a > > > cyber cafe in theory, but I'm not sure how it can be built > > into a good > > > business model. > > > > > > > It has been suggested to me that I issue cards of prepaid time > > > > (such as 30 minute, 60 minute, up to 1000 minutes) for > > various prices. > > > > The cost is computed on a per-minute basis and the larger cards > > > > would reflect a discount). > > > > > > Prepaid cards are good business. You have the customer's > > money (and can > > > earn interest on it) and the customer has nothing but a > > piece of plastic > > > that they one day *may* use. > > > > > > > I am also looking at who would offer the best backbone service > > > > (or should I go with more than one with an in-house peering > > > > arrangement?), such as Cox, AT&T, QWEST, Sprint, MCI. > > > > > > The best backbone service will be offered by some company called > > > OpNIX......maybe you've heard of us? > > > > > > Dennis Sacks > > > dennis@illusions.com > > > Managed Services Geek, OpNIX, Inc. www.opnix.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Plug-discuss mailing list - Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > > > End of Plug-discuss Digest > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your > > mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to > > write mail. > > > > Plug-discuss mailing list - Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > Plug-discuss mailing list - Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >