The problem isn't dialing modems, it's dialing a PC-to-phone call over the internet. > -----Original Message----- > From: Tilby, Lynn # PHX [mailto:LTilby@simatics.com] > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 10:22 AM > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > Subject: dialpad on linux > > > It should be pretty easy to write a dialing program using > Hayes commands and > a Hayes compatible modem. In fact I wrote one of these in > basic on a Zenith > Z-100 (it was actually an autodialer) when I worked in civil > service about > 17 years ago... > > Lynn P. Tilby > ltilby@simatics.com > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > [SMTP:plug-discuss-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us] > > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 11:37 AM > > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > Subject: Plug-discuss digest, Vol 1 #429 - 19 msgs > > > > > > Send Plug-discuss mailing list submissions to > > plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the web, visit > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > plug-discuss-request@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > plug-discuss-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more > specific than > > "Re: Contents of Plug-discuss digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. diffing special chars (sinck@owmyeye.ugive.com) > > 2. Re: diffing special chars (Michael Dearman) > > 3. RE: Oops (William Lindley) > > 4. RE: Oops (Jim) > > 5. RE: dialpad on linux (Lucas Vogel) > > 6. GUI Mail Clients (was Re: Oops) (Rod Roark) > > 7. RE: Oops (sinck@owmyeye.ugive.com) > > 8. cheops (sinck@owmyeye.ugive.com) > > 9. Re: diffing special chars (Kevin Buettner) > > 10. Re: dialpad on linux (Michael F. March) > > 11. Re: diffing special chars (sinck@owmyeye.ugive.com) > > 12. RE: Oops (Mike Cantrell) > > 13. Re: dialpad on linux (Shawn T. Rutledge) > > 14. RE: dialpad on linux (Lucas Vogel) > > 15. editors (Joel Dudley) > > 16. Re: editors (ericb@cybertrails.com) > > 17. Re: editors (Joel Dudley) > > 18. RE: editors (Lucas Vogel) > > 19. Re: editors (ericb@cybertrails.com) > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 1 > > From: sinck@owmyeye.ugive.com > > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 07:52:07 -0700 (MST) > > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > Subject: diffing special chars > > Reply-To: sinck@ugive.com > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > > > > > > \_ moin, moin, > > \_ > > \_ doing a couple of filesystems lists and then diffing > them to make sure > > \_ they contain the same files. I'm running into a prob > with files that > > have > > \_ either special chars or spaces embedded in the name/path. > > \_ > > \_ find wants to turn special chars into gobbly-gook, > whereas tar renders > > the > > \_ escapes sequences. Use ls -b to turn the special chars > into escape > > \_ sequences it also adds escapes for spaces, which tar doesn't do. > > \_ > > \_ Either of these probs trips up diff when verifying that > the file lists > > are > > \_ the same. > > \_ > > \_ Anyone know a solution that doesn't require brute > forcing with tools > > like > > \_ perl or sed/awk? > > > > Yeah. Wetware will do it just fine, particularly if assisted by a > > printer and a secretary. :-) > > > > Or try ediff-compare-buffers in emacs. Pretty light show; it'll at > > least page through the differences coherently for you. > > > > David > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:02:36 -0700 > > From: Michael Dearman > > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > Subject: Re: diffing special chars > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > > "der.hans" wrote: > > > > > > moin, moin, > > > > > > doing a couple of filesystems lists and then diffing them > to make sure > > > they contain the same files. I'm running into a prob with > files that > > have > > > either special chars or spaces embedded in the name/path. > > > > > > find wants to turn special chars into gobbly-gook, > whereas tar renders > > the > > > escapes sequences. Use ls -b to turn the special chars into escape > > > sequences it also adds escapes for spaces, which tar doesn't do. > > > > > > Either of these probs trips up diff when verifying that > the file lists > > are > > > the same. > > > > > > Anyone know a solution that doesn't require brute forcing > with tools > > like > > > perl or sed/awk? > > > > > > > Also, don't quite understand how your assembling your lists > of files, but > > having trouble with 'name/path'. But... > > > > If your working with lists of files, and able to sort them, > check out > > 'comm'. > > If not able to sort, article 2.14 in 'Unix Power Tools' has > a trick with > > grep > > and diff. > > > > There's also a 'dircmp', but it's not on my Linux. Unix P. > Tools says it's > > a SysV > > thing. > > > > Mike D. > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 3 > > From: William Lindley > > Reply-To: "wlindley@wlindley.com" > > To: "'plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us'" > > > > Subject: RE: Oops > > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:02:28 -0700 > > Organization: LS Software > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > > J.L.Francois wrote: > > > Your line breaks are greater than 75 characters per line. > > > > Why, in this day and age, should messages have to contain > hard newlines? > > Why are long lines a problem for modern e-mail systems or > viewers? Text > > wrapping is not that difficult an algorithm... or is > anybody out there > > still reading messages on a dumb terminal? > > > > \\/ > > http://www.wlindley.com > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 4 > > From: Jim > > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > Subject: RE: Oops > > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:14:52 -0700 > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > > The problem is not hard newlines. The problem is between > the chair and > > the computer. Most email programs will allow you to set > the line length > > of your messages. > > > > On Thu, 24 Aug 2000, you wrote: > > > J.L.Francois wrote: > > > > Your line breaks are greater than 75 characters per line. > > > > > > Why, in this day and age, should messages have to contain > hard newlines? > > > > > Why are long lines a problem for modern e-mail systems > or viewers? > > Text > > > wrapping is not that difficult an algorithm... or is > anybody out there > > > still reading messages on a dumb terminal? > > > > > > \\/ > > > http://www.wlindley.com > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if > your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > Plug-discuss mailing list - > Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -- > > > > Jim > > > > Always practice safe HEX > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 5 > > From: Lucas Vogel > > To: "'plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us'" > > > > Subject: RE: dialpad on linux > > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:21:16 -0700 > > charset="windows-1252" > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > > Let me know if you can figure it out; not only could I not > figure out how > > to > > get Dialpad to work, but I didn't understand what this guy > was trying to > > say > > either. > > > > Lucas Vogel > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: J.L.Francois [mailto:frenchie@magusnet.gilbert.az.us] > > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 7:15 AM > > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > Subject: Re: dialpad on linux > > > > > > It seems like on Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 03:05:32AM -0700, > Hawke scribbled: > > Orig Msg> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Orig Msg> > > Orig Msg> recently, someone posted instrictions (or the URL) for > > Orig Msg> information on how to install dialpad under netscape > > Orig Msg> on linux boxes. > > Orig Msg> > > Orig Msg> could you please repost that info? > > Orig Msg> > > Orig Msg> > > Orig Msg> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > That would be me. > > > > Instructions for dialpad in Linux > > http://my.ispchannel.com/~rottona/linux_dialpad.html > > > > Jean Francois - JLF Sends... > > President & CEO - MagusNet, Inc., MagusNet.com, > MagusNet.Gilbert.AZ.US > > Director Of Managed Services - OpNIX,Inc., www.opnix.com > > OpNIX - Simply Better Bandwidth > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your > mail doesn't > > post > > to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > Plug-discuss mailing list - Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 6 > > From: Rod Roark > > Organization: Sunset Systems > > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > Subject: GUI Mail Clients (was Re: Oops) > > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:07:42 -0700 > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > > On Thu, 24 Aug 2000, you wrote: > > > J.L.Francois wrote: > > > > Your line breaks are greater than 75 characters per line. > > > > > > Why, in this day and age, should messages have to contain > hard newlines? > > > > > Why are long lines a problem for modern e-mail systems > or viewers? > > Text > > > wrapping is not that difficult an algorithm... or is > anybody out there > > > still reading messages on a dumb terminal? > > > > For some reason KDE's kmail, which otherwise is pretty good, cannot > > word-wrap incoming mail. I use it because it can filter > messages into > > designated folders based on the headers, and also supports > multiple POP > > accounts. > > > > I'd appreciate suggestions for a better Linux-compatible GUI mail > > client that can do this. LDAP support would be nice too. > > > > -- Rod > > http://www.sunsetsystems.com/ > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 7 > > From: sinck@owmyeye.ugive.com > > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:36:20 -0700 (MST) > > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > Subject: RE: Oops > > Reply-To: sinck@ugive.com > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > > > > > > \_ J.L.Francois wrote: > > \_ > Your line breaks are greater than 75 characters per line. > > \_ > > \_ Why, in this day and age, should messages have to contain hard > > newlines? > > > > Three letters: lpr > > > > David > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 8 > > From: sinck@owmyeye.ugive.com > > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:35:30 -0700 > > To: PLUG-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > Subject: cheops > > Reply-to: sinck@ugive.com > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > > > > Re: JLF's nod to cheops. It does rock. > > > > David > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 9 > > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:42:38 -0700 > > From: Kevin Buettner > > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > Subject: Re: diffing special chars > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > > On Aug 23, 11:12pm, der.hans wrote: > > > > > Anyone know a solution that doesn't require brute forcing > with tools > > like > > > perl or sed/awk? > > > > Why don't you want to use perl? It's a perfectly > acceptable tool for > > this job. Below is a little script which'll list out verbatim the > > names of the files regardless of the embedded control characters, > > spaces, etc. Use it to create your file lists and then use diff on > > them as before. > > > > #!/usr/bin/perl -w > > > > use File::Find; > > > > my ($root) = @ARGV; > > > > die "Usage: $0 root\n" unless defined ($root); > > > > my @names = (); > > > > find(sub { push @names, $File::Find::name; }, $root); > > > > print join "\n", sort @names; > > print "\n"; > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 10 > > From: "Michael F. March" > > To: > > Subject: Re: dialpad on linux > > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:35:23 -0700 > > charset="Windows-1252" > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > There is no way to use dialpad under Linux, yet. It is a > > Java applet that uses some WIN32 specific code for some > > of the multimedia portions of the app. > > > > The web page below is instructions on how to use dialpad > > on a Win32 computer through a IPMASQ linux router. If you > > try to use dialpad with the standard IPMASQ setup it > > fails. > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.3 > > > > iQA/AwUBOaVOyTXngita9e8aEQKDlQCfYdaQ63ZN6AYOqLNzvvRXFUbV4dQAoKMD > > iBckSRq9IHpMJq2NH1TupmZg > > =Xo17 > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lucas Vogel" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 8:21 AM > > Subject: RE: dialpad on linux > > > > > > > Let me know if you can figure it out; not only could I > not figure out > > how to > > > get Dialpad to work, but I didn't understand what this > guy was trying to > > say > > > either. > > > > > > Lucas Vogel > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: J.L.Francois [mailto:frenchie@magusnet.gilbert.az.us] > > > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 7:15 AM > > > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > Subject: Re: dialpad on linux > > > > > > > > > It seems like on Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 03:05:32AM -0700, > Hawke scribbled: > > > Orig Msg> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Orig Msg> > > > Orig Msg> recently, someone posted instrictions (or the URL) for > > > Orig Msg> information on how to install dialpad under netscape > > > Orig Msg> on linux boxes. > > > Orig Msg> > > > Orig Msg> could you please repost that info? > > > Orig Msg> > > > Orig Msg> > > > Orig Msg> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > > That would be me. > > > > > > Instructions for dialpad in Linux > > > http://my.ispchannel.com/~rottona/linux_dialpad.html > > > > > > Jean Francois - JLF Sends... > > > President & CEO - MagusNet, Inc., MagusNet.com, > MagusNet.Gilbert.AZ.US > > > Director Of Managed Services - OpNIX,Inc., www.opnix.com > > > OpNIX - Simply Better Bandwidth > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if > your mail doesn't > > post > > > to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > Plug-discuss mailing list - > Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if > your mail doesn't > > post to the > > list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > Plug-discuss mailing list - > Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 11 > > From: sinck@owmyeye.ugive.com > > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:20:34 -0700 (MST) > > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > Subject: Re: diffing special chars > > <1000824164238.ZM7134@saguaro.lan> > > Reply-To: sinck@ugive.com > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > > > > > > \_ On Aug 23, 11:12pm, der.hans wrote: > > \_ > > \_ > Anyone know a solution that doesn't require brute > forcing with tools > > like > > \_ > perl or sed/awk? > > \_ > > \_ Why don't you want to use perl? It's a perfectly > acceptable tool for > > \_ this job. Below is a little script which'll list out > verbatim the > > \_ names of the files regardless of the embedded control characters, > > \_ spaces, etc. Use it to create your file lists and then > use diff on > > \_ them as before. > > \_ > > \_ #!/usr/bin/perl -w > > \_ > > \_ use File::Find; > > \_ > > \_ my ($root) = @ARGV; > > \_ > > \_ die "Usage: $0 root\n" unless defined ($root); > > \_ > > \_ my @names = (); > > \_ > > \_ find(sub { push @names, $File::Find::name; }, $root); > > \_ > > \_ print join "\n", sort @names; > > \_ print "\n"; > > \_ > > > > Sooo many lines.... > > > > perl -MFile::Find -e \ > > 'find sub {print $File::Find::name, "\n";}, shift || "."' \ > > your-optional-dir-here > > > > On the downside, this version doesn't sort. :-) > > > > David > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 12 > > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:46:14 -0700 (MST) > > From: Mike Cantrell > > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > Subject: RE: Oops > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > > > > Heh, I was expecting that guy with the p-166 and Outlook to > respond about > > it making his mail client too slow :) > > > > Regards, > > Mike Cantrell > > > > On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 sinck@owmyeye.ugive.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > \_ J.L.Francois wrote: > > > \_ > Your line breaks are greater than 75 characters per line. > > > \_ > > > \_ Why, in this day and age, should messages have to contain hard > > newlines? > > > > > > Three letters: lpr > > > > > > David > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if > your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > Plug-discuss mailing list - > Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 13 > > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:01:06 -0700 > > From: "Shawn T. Rutledge" > > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > Subject: Re: dialpad on linux > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > > On Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 09:35:23AM -0700, Michael F. March wrote: > > > There is no way to use dialpad under Linux, yet. It is a > > > Java applet that uses some WIN32 specific code for some > > > of the multimedia portions of the app. > > > > > > The web page below is instructions on how to use dialpad > > > on a Win32 computer through a IPMASQ linux router. If you > > > try to use dialpad with the standard IPMASQ setup it > > > fails. > > > > Bummer. > > > > Do we know of any PC-to-phone telephony thingies that do work > > on Linux? I went looking for one a week or so ago and came up > > empty. > > > > -- > > _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD > ecloud@bigfoot.com > > (_ | |_) http://www.bigfoot.com/~ecloud > kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org > > __) | | > \________________________________________________________________ > > Get money for spare CPU cycles at > http://www.ProcessTree.com/?sponsor=5903 > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 14 > > From: Lucas Vogel > > To: "'plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us'" > > > > Subject: RE: dialpad on linux > > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:24:13 -0700 > > charset="windows-1252" > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://www.linuxjack.com > > > > This company sells a kind of sound card for your phone. The > problem is, I > > can't seem to find any sw to use it with. The card looks intriguing, > > though, > > once I do find the sw... > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Shawn T. Rutledge > [mailto:rutledge@cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com] > > > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 11:01 AM > > > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > Subject: Re: dialpad on linux > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 09:35:23AM -0700, Michael F. March wrote: > > > > There is no way to use dialpad under Linux, yet. It is a > > > > Java applet that uses some WIN32 specific code for some > > > > of the multimedia portions of the app. > > > > > > > > The web page below is instructions on how to use dialpad > > > > on a Win32 computer through a IPMASQ linux router. If you > > > > try to use dialpad with the standard IPMASQ setup it > > > > fails. > > > > > > Bummer. > > > > > > Do we know of any PC-to-phone telephony thingies that do work > > > on Linux? I went looking for one a week or so ago and came up > > > empty. > > > > > > -- > > > _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD > > > ecloud@bigfoot.com > > > (_ | |_) http://www.bigfoot.com/~ecloud > > > kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org > > > __) | | > > > \________________________________________________________________ > > > Get money for spare CPU cycles at > > > http://www.ProcessTree.com/?sponsor=5903 > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your > > > mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to > > > write mail. > > > > > > Plug-discuss mailing list - > Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 15 > > From: joel@silverw.com (Joel Dudley) > > To: > > Subject: editors > > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:24:33 -0700 > > boundary="----=_NextPart_000_03D1_01C00DBD.E0C15300" > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > > > ------=_NextPart_000_03D1_01C00DBD.E0C15300 > > Content-Type: text/plain; > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > Like I had previously stated to the PLUG, I am teaching myself = > > programming. Currently I am using my favorite editor, > Pico, to create = > > my source code. Now Pico works great, but I was wondering > if any of the = > > code gnomes out there knew of any text editors that > facilitated coding = > > (I am doing java right now) better. I am not interested in > any IDE's at = > > the moment because I want my learning experience to be very > raw, if that = > > makes any sense. Thank you for taking the time to read my > message. =20 > > > > - Joel=20 > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > -----------= > > --- > > "For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power > of reason, = > > the > > story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of > ignorance; = > > he is > > about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over > the final = > > rock, > > he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been > sitting there for > > centuries." > > > > - Dr. Robert Jastrow > > Founder of NASA"s Goddard Institute for space studies > > > > > > > > ------=_NextPart_000_03D1_01C00DBD.E0C15300 > > Content-Type: text/html; > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > > > > > charset=3Diso-8859-1"> > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > ------=_NextPart_000_03D1_01C00DBD.E0C15300-- > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 16 > > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:33:15 -0700 > > From: ericb@cybertrails.com > > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > Subject: Re: editors > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > > Talk about a question to start a war :) ... > > > > use vi! :) > > > > hehe... it's great, once you get used to it :) > > > > Eric > > > > On Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 11:24:33AM -0700, Joel Dudley wrote: > > > Like I had previously stated to the PLUG, I am teaching myself > > programming. Currently I am using my favorite editor, > Pico, to create my > > source code. Now Pico works great, but I was wondering if > any of the code > > gnomes out there knew of any text editors that facilitated > coding (I am > > doing java right now) better. I am not interested in any > IDE's at the > > moment because I want my learning experience to be very > raw, if that makes > > any sense. Thank you for taking the time to read my message. > > > > > > - Joel > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------ > > -- > > > "For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the > power of reason, > > the > > > story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains > of ignorance; > > he is > > > about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself > over the final > > rock, > > > he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been > sitting there for > > > centuries." > > > > > > - Dr. Robert Jastrow > > > Founder of NASA"s Goddard Institute for space studies > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Eric Barendt > > RHCE #806200039001688 > > System Administrator > > Cyber Trails > > > > .~. > > /V\ > > // \\ > > /( )\ > > ^`~'^ > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 17 > > From: joel@silverw.com (Joel Dudley) > > To: > > Subject: Re: editors > > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:32:40 -0700 > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > > Yes, I guess I should have weighted the volitility of my > question :-). I > > will tell everyone right now that I have tried to use vi > and I don't like > > it > > (please don't burn down my house). I was thinking about > editors that did > > text highlighting and the like for program code without > having to use an > > IDE. remember I am a programming newbie so be lienient if > my terms or > > questions seem incorrect. Thank you. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 11:33 AM > > Subject: Re: editors > > > > > > > Talk about a question to start a war :) ... > > > > > > use vi! :) > > > > > > hehe... it's great, once you get used to it :) > > > > > > Eric > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 11:24:33AM -0700, Joel Dudley wrote: > > > > Like I had previously stated to the PLUG, I am teaching myself > > programming. Currently I am using my favorite editor, > Pico, to create my > > source code. Now Pico works great, but I was wondering if > any of the code > > gnomes out there knew of any text editors that facilitated > coding (I am > > doing java right now) better. I am not interested in any > IDE's at the > > moment because I want my learning experience to be very > raw, if that makes > > any sense. Thank you for taking the time to read my message. > > > > > > > > - Joel > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------ > > -- > > > > "For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the > power of reason, > > the > > > > story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the > mountains of ignorance; > > he is > > > > about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself > over the final > > rock, > > > > he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been > sitting there for > > > > centuries." > > > > > > > > - Dr. Robert Jastrow > > > > Founder of NASA"s Goddard Institute for space studies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Eric Barendt > > > RHCE #806200039001688 > > > System Administrator > > > Cyber Trails > > > > > > .~. > > > /V\ > > > // \\ > > > /( )\ > > > ^`~'^ > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if > your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > Plug-discuss mailing list - > Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 18 > > From: Lucas Vogel > > To: "'plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us'" > > > > Subject: RE: editors > > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:37:07 -0700 > > charset="windows-1252" > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > > on win32, I absolutely love using TextPad: > > www.textpad.com > > > > For Linux, I've been wanting to evaluate a product called Moonshine: > > http://www.suite3220.com/moonshine/index.html > > > > I haven't installed it yet, but it looks to be like > KDevelop with a few > > more > > features... > > > > HTH > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: ericb@cybertrails.com [mailto:ericb@cybertrails.com] > > > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 11:33 AM > > > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > Subject: Re: editors > > > > > > > > > Talk about a question to start a war :) ... > > > > > > use vi! :) > > > > > > hehe... it's great, once you get used to it :) > > > > > > Eric > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 11:24:33AM -0700, Joel Dudley wrote: > > > > Like I had previously stated to the PLUG, I am teaching > > > myself programming. Currently I am using my favorite editor, > > > Pico, to create my source code. Now Pico works great, but I > > > was wondering if any of the code gnomes out there knew of any > > > text editors that facilitated coding (I am doing java right > > > now) better. I am not interested in any IDE's at the moment > > > because I want my learning experience to be very raw, if that > > > makes any sense. Thank you for taking the time to read > my message. > > > > > > > > - Joel > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > -------------- > > > > "For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power > > > of reason, the > > > > story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of > > > ignorance; he is > > > > about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over > > > the final rock, > > > > he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been > > > sitting there for > > > > centuries." > > > > > > > > - Dr. Robert Jastrow > > > > Founder of NASA"s Goddard Institute for space studies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Eric Barendt > > > RHCE #806200039001688 > > > System Administrator > > > Cyber Trails > > > > > > .~. > > > /V\ > > > // \\ > > > /( )\ > > > ^`~'^ > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your > > > mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to > > > write mail. > > > > > > Plug-discuss mailing list - > Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 19 > > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:40:05 -0700 > > From: ericb@cybertrails.com > > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > Subject: Re: editors > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > > Actually, if you look around for .vimrc files, they do > that... I'm not > > really sure where to get them though :). I'm sure you > could write one, > > but it'd be much easier to download one. If you have one, > it will do > > syntax highlighting for whatever language you're using, > makes things much > > easier to read :) > > > > Later... > > > > On Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 11:32:40AM -0700, Joel Dudley wrote: > > > Yes, I guess I should have weighted the volitility of my > question :-). > > I > > > will tell everyone right now that I have tried to use vi > and I don't > > like it > > > (please don't burn down my house). I was thinking about > editors that > > did > > > text highlighting and the like for program code without > having to use an > > > IDE. remember I am a programming newbie so be lienient if > my terms or > > > questions seem incorrect. Thank you. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 11:33 AM > > > Subject: Re: editors > > > > > > > > > > Talk about a question to start a war :) ... > > > > > > > > use vi! :) > > > > > > > > hehe... it's great, once you get used to it :) > > > > > > > > Eric > > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 11:24:33AM -0700, Joel Dudley wrote: > > > > > Like I had previously stated to the PLUG, I am teaching myself > > > programming. Currently I am using my favorite editor, > Pico, to create > > my > > > source code. Now Pico works great, but I was wondering > if any of the > > code > > > gnomes out there knew of any text editors that > facilitated coding (I am > > > doing java right now) better. I am not interested in any > IDE's at the > > > moment because I want my learning experience to be very > raw, if that > > makes > > > any sense. Thank you for taking the time to read my message. > > > > > > > > > > - Joel > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------ > > > -- > > > > > "For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of > > reason, > > > the > > > > > story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of > > ignorance; > > > he is > > > > > about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls > himself over the > > final > > > rock, > > > > > he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been > sitting there > > for > > > > > centuries." > > > > > > > > > > - Dr. Robert Jastrow > > > > > Founder of NASA"s Goddard Institute for space studies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Eric Barendt > > > > RHCE #806200039001688 > > > > System Administrator > > > > Cyber Trails > > > > > > > > .~. > > > > /V\ > > > > // \\ > > > > /( )\ > > > > ^`~'^ > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail > > doesn't > > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > > > Plug-discuss mailing list - > Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if > your mail doesn't > > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail. > > > > > > Plug-discuss mailing list - > Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > -- > > Eric Barendt > > RHCE #806200039001688 > > System Administrator > > Cyber Trails > > > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Plug-discuss mailing list - Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > End of Plug-discuss Digest > > ________________________________________________ > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your > mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to > write mail. > > Plug-discuss mailing list - Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >