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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim [mailto:farli@wiredglobal.com]
> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 1:42 PM
> To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> Subject: RE: to code or not to code?
> 
> 
> Two more of my pennies...
> 
> Perl claims that its biggest asset is that there is no one best way to
> accomplish anything.  Unfortunately, that is also its biggest flaw. 
> Because there are so many ways to accomplish the same task 
> with Perl, it
> becomes extremely obfuscated.  Surprisingly, Perl coders are 
> "proud" of
> the fact that they can accomplish a task with code so confusing that a
> majority of coders can't understand.
> 
> The best solution to starting your coding career, imho, is to 
> learn OOP
> and then Python/C++.  It is far easier to understand most 
> non-oop languages
> with a background in oop than it is for a non-oop coder to understand
> Python or C++.
> 
> On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, you wrote:
> > Now my two cents :-) I started with Perl, and recomend starting with
> > scripting. Perl is robust and quite capable of doing just 
> about anything
> > with its modules. I mean I learned a smidgit of C and Java 
> after perl, and
> > I'm back to pretty much perl for everything again. Its 
> strong, capable,
> > quick, and very easy if you ask me. It makes my job as an 
> admin SO much
> > easier and it also helps at home too (home automation, cd ripping,
> > etc.) Whoops, I got off topic. The biggest part about Perl 
> is that it
> > gives you a good look at syntax, and gives you a good idea of what a
> > program needs to run, etc.
> > 
> > my two cents
> > 
> > _______________
> > Jonathan Furrer
> > jonny@jofu.com
> > http://www.jofu.com/
> > 
> > On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Jim wrote:
> > 
> > > Python is easier to deal with if you have a fundamental 
> understanding of
> > > object oriented programming.  It is based on OOP.  Perl, 
> on the other
> > > hand, is based on the need to extract data and create 
> reports.  I guess
> > > the same statements can be made about C++ vs C.
> > > 
> > > The bottom line is that the concepts of objects, inheritance,
> > > polymorphism, etc. are a bit much for a newbie to deal 
> with unless that
> > > newbie builds his programming foundation on the OOP 
> concepts.  Absent that
> > > effort to understand OOP, Perl and/or C are much easier to begin
> > > programming with.
> > > 
> > > These, of course, are just my opinions.
> > > 
> > > On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, you
> > > wrote: > Python is probably supported stronger than what 
> you might need it
> > > to be. I'd > recommend Python to start with, especially 
> for a newbie, and
> > > then step up to > the plate w/perl.  >  > ... > 
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Don Harrop [mailto:don@nis4u.com]
> > > > > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 12:40 PM
> > > > > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > > > > Subject: to code or not to code?
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I was wondering if I could get some feedback on some 
> > > > > scripting / programming
> > > > > languages to jump into for a newbie coder.  Perl seems like a 
> > > > > good choice
> > > > > because everybody has it and there's tons of support.  You 
> > > > > can either use it
> > > > > for web page development or linux admin stuff.  I don't know 
> > > > > if you can
> > > > > compile it to a single exacutable under DOS/WIN stuff though. 
> > > > >  That would be
> > > > > cool.  I've listened to a few people on the list talk about 
> > > > > python and it
> > > > > sounds good but it doesn't seem to have the same amount of 
> > > > > support as Perl
> > > > > does.  C++ would be cool but I don't want to have to compile 
> > > > > everything
> > > > > before I can run it.  It might be overkill for a newbie.  :-) 
> > > > >  Links on
> > > > > where to go to learn the code would be nice too...
> > > > > 
> > > > > Don
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
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> > > 
> > > Zope is cool!
> > > 
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> Zope is cool!
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