Well, to further avoid your wrath, I'll keep it short.  It wasn't my
intention to appear "on my high horse".  RPMs have their place, and if you
re-read my earlier post, I did say "convenience", meaning... I USE IT TOO.
Before you start flaming people for stating their opinion maybe you should
read their post carefully.


*  Blake


-----Original Message-----
From: Donn Shumway [mailto:donn@linuxfan.com]
Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 6:58 AM
To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
Subject: Re: duplicate RPMs installed


So, when there is a unified package system (similar to Winblows??) you'll
join us people who don't have a clue?

Get off your high horse and face reality. Not all of the people that use
linux, bsd, unix, BeOS, etc., use them simply because they want to get under
the hood. Not everyone is a programmer or a security expert. I use it
because I like the unixlike interface, the fact that it doesn't crash, the
feeling of exploration of something new (to me), and most of all, because I
want a stable platform on which to install an Oracle database (which I DO
know). I also use the RPMs whenever possible because the Mandrake
distribution, like Redhat do some things in a somewhat unique way (check the
location of the html directory in a Mandrake installed version of Apache for
example). Using the RPMs usually ensures that complications that arise from
the distributions quirks are kept to a minimum.

Those that have to put someone down just to feel important have lost touch
with the purpose of this or any user group, that is to share our knowledge
and enjoyment of a common interest. Pardon me for using a tool that someone
spent countless hours coding to make a more usable solution for us all. If
you don't like it, or don't use it, useless opinions don't contribute to the
question at hand. Save the bandwidth.

Please pardon my diatribe.

Donn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Barnett, Blake" <bbarnett@bloodsystems.org>
To: <plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us>
Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 9:51 AM
Subject: RE: duplicate RPMs installed


> 90% of all applications released now use the standard automake "configure"
> scripts for detection of dependencies and will let you know if you don't
> have it in the first ten seconds, and almost always let you know where to
> find it.  All of these package management tools are fine for convenience
and
> people who just don't have a clue.  But if you are in a LUG, you've
> obviously gone a bit deeper than just the average newbie.  Besides, if you
> really WANT to learn linux, I can't think of a better way to get your
hands
> dirty and REALLY LEARN it.
>
> Part of the value of linux to me is as a home unix platform that I can use
> to interact with other unix platforms, and rpm/deb etc aren't available
> anywhere else.  When the day comes that ALL platforms have a unified
package
> system, I'll jump on the bandwagon.
>
> *  Blake
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sinck@owmyeye.ugive.com [mailto:sinck@owmyeye.ugive.com]
> Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 9:43 AM
> To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> Subject: RE: duplicate RPMs installed
>
>
>
>
> \_ Make sure the files are removed and compile the source.. ;)
> \_
> \_ I have completely lost faith in RPM, I haven't used dselect in a while,
> but
> \_ in my opinion, you can't get a cleaner install than compiling and
> installing
> \_ it yourself.
>
> Yuppers.
>
> The two main reasons I cut over to RH was that it managed dependencies
> and came with an 'uninstall' option.
>
> I don't want to spend out hours figuring out from reading some
> obscured documentation on some software that it depends on
> ncurses-9.9-alpha.
>
> And at the same time, if I want it to go away, what are the chances
> the author has arranged it so that there is an 'uninstall' target in
> the Makefile?
>
> Plus, watching X rebuild from source has to be about as fun as running
> fingers through a tablesaw, and I've done that.  [Not recommended for
> home viewers.]
>
> David
>
>
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