Compiled: Sun cc: -rwxr-xr-x 1 gfurman crs 6076 May 31 12:52 tst_1* -rwxr-xr-x 1 gfurman crs 6096 May 31 12:52 tst_2* ( -O ) <- options Linux gcc: -rwxr-xr-x 1 gfurman crs 4825 May 31 12:52 tst_1* -rwxr-xr-x 1 gfurman crs 4793 May 31 12:52 tst_2* ( -O ) -rwxr-xr-x 1 gfurman crs 255397 May 31 12:52 tst_3* ( -O -static ) This is still a lot less then VB. The Wolf -> -----Original Message----- -> From: Joseph T. Tannenbaum [mailto:tannenba@futureone.com] -> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 12:48 PM -> To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us -> Subject: RE: Linux Programmer -> -> -> the exe comes out 299720 bytes. -> with gcc from cygnus. -> Joe -> -> > -----Original Message----- -> > From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us -> > [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us]On -> Behalf Of Lucas -> > Vogel -> > Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 11:48 AM -> > To: 'plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us' -> > Subject: RE: Linux Programmer -> > -> > -> > don't you need the standard library? -> > -> > -----Original Message----- -> > From: Furmanek, Greg [mailto:Greg.Furmanek@hit.cendant.com] -> > Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 11:48 AM -> > To: 'plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us' -> > Subject: RE: Linux Programmer -> > -> > -> > I do not need dependencies for compiled: -> > -> > #include -> > -> > int -> > main (void) { -> > printf ("%s", "Visual basic is bloated"); -> > return(0); -> > } -> > -> > however if I wanted to do the same thing in VB I -> > need 2MB worth of files to install!!! -> > -> > The Wolf -> > -> > -> -----Original Message----- -> > -> From: Lucas Vogel [mailto:lvogel@exponent.com] -> > -> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 10:51 AM -> > -> To: 'plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us' -> > -> Subject: RE: Linux Programmer -> > -> -> > -> -> > -> Tell me what happens when I install an rpm(program A) -> for linux. What -> > -> happens if program A has missing dependencies? Then I have -> > -> to find and -> > -> download the library(library A) so that program A can work. -> > -> I also have to -> > -> ensure that library A has its dependencies satisfied, -> or I'll also be -> > -> installing library B and/or C. It can get pretty recursive, -> > -> and also doesn't -> > -> take into account the different versions that different -> > -> executables rely on. -> > -> -> > -> You must not have read the part concerning the tarball when -> > -> I mentioned the -> > -> ./configure script, and how it CHECKS FOR DEPENDENCIES. If -> > -> the script fails -> > -> because of missing dependencies, you have to do the same -> > -> thing all over -> > -> again. -> > -> -> > -> When you compile a VB app, it does have dependencies. It -> > -> requires a minimum -> > -> number of DLL's for it to work. Big deal. Once the dll's are -> > -> installed you -> > -> can write as many apps as you want without having to send -> > -> the same dll's -> > -> over and over again. If you include some new ones, include -> > -> some new ones. -> > -> -> > -> And it's the same thing for Linux, only different. Linux -> > -> puts an entry into -> > -> the rpm db, MS into the Registry. But as far as -> > -> applications, dependencies -> > -> and distribution, it's still roughly the same thing. One -> > -> notable exception, -> > -> however, is that people on this list keep throwing FUD into -> > -> VB because VB is -> > -> Microsoft, and MS sucks on this list. That may be a -> > -> compelling argument for -> > -> their business practices, but it doesn't make any sense for -> > -> this argument. -> > -> -> > -> -> > -> -----Original Message----- -> > -> From: Furmanek, Greg [mailto:Greg.Furmanek@hit.cendant.com] -> > -> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 10:25 AM -> > -> To: 'plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us' -> > -> Subject: RE: Linux Programmer -> > -> -> > -> -> > -> I do not understand why you comparing way of distributing -> > -> programs to the coding/programming discussion. -> > -> -> > -> RPM uses database to keep track of the files you installed. -> > -> Tarball is the *source* of a program you are going to -> > -> compile. -> > -> After you install you are going to end up with the same result -> > -> with the exception of the entry in the RPM database. -> > -> -> > -> On the other hand if you write VB 2-liner and you want to -> > -> distribute that you have to have 2/3 floppies just to fit -> > -> the supporitng libraries on it. -> > -> -> > -> The Wolf -> > -> -> > -> -> > -> -> -----Original Message----- -> > -> -> From: Lucas Vogel [mailto:lvogel@exponent.com] -> > -> -> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 9:31 AM -> > -> -> To: 'plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us' -> > -> -> Subject: RE: Linux Programmer -> > -> -> -> > -> -> -> > -> -> Give ME a break. You get the same issues w/RPM's and -> > -> -> tarballs. The tarballs -> > -> -> have far more damaging potential, though, when -> you're running the -> > -> -> ./configure script and it dies because of something you -> > -> may not know -> > -> -> anything about how to fix, something that happened -> > -> -> frequently when I was -> > -> -> running COL 2.2. Don't make this a Windows-only (or VB, for -> > -> -> that matter) -> > -> -> because it isn't. -> > -> -> -> > -> -> -----Original Message----- -> > -> -> From: The Wolf [mailto:codewolf@earthlink.net] -> > -> -> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 9:19 PM -> > -> -> To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us -> > -> -> Subject: Re: Linux Programmer -> > -> -> -> > -> -> -> > -> -> William Lindley wrote: -> > -> -> > -> > -> -> > "Code bloat" in my mind is when you write a two-line VB -> > -> -> program and wind -> > -> -> > up with three megabytes of stuff that has to be installed. -> > -> -> Gimme a break. -> > -> -> > -> > -> -> > \\/ -> > -> -> > -> > -> -> > _______________________________________________ -> > -> -> > Plug-discuss mailing list - -> > -> Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us -> > -> -> > -> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -> > -> -> -> > -> -> -> > -> -> AMEN to this one!!!! -> > -> -> -> > -> -> -- -> > -> -> "The questions is not if we are paranoid, -> > -> -> the question is if we are paranoid enough." -> > -> -> -> > -> -> _______________________________________________ -> > -> -> Plug-discuss mailing list - -> > -> Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us -> > -> -> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -> > -> -> -> > -> -> _______________________________________________ -> > -> -> Plug-discuss mailing list - -> > -> Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us -> > -> -> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -> > -> -> -> > -> -> > -> _______________________________________________ -> > -> Plug-discuss mailing list - -> Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us -> > -> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -> > -> -> > -> _______________________________________________ -> > -> Plug-discuss mailing list - -> Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us -> > -> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -> > -> -> > -> > _______________________________________________ -> > Plug-discuss mailing list - Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us -> > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -> > -> > _______________________________________________ -> > Plug-discuss mailing list - Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us -> > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -> > -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Plug-discuss mailing list - Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us -> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss ->