oh well. IMHO, VB ain't the prettiest language around, but I really don't think that it's bloatware in itself. It simply allows users to create very bloated apps, just like any other language. -----Original Message----- From: Furmanek, Greg [mailto:Greg.Furmanek@hit.cendant.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 12:40 PM To: 'plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us' Subject: RE: Linux Programmer Not if you link statically. -> -----Original Message----- -> From: Lucas Vogel [mailto:lvogel@exponent.com] -> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 11:48 AM -> To: 'plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us' -> Subject: RE: Linux Programmer -> -> -> don't you need the standard library? -> -> -----Original Message----- -> From: Furmanek, Greg [mailto:Greg.Furmanek@hit.cendant.com] -> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 11:48 AM -> To: 'plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us' -> Subject: RE: Linux Programmer -> -> -> I do not need dependencies for compiled: -> -> #include -> -> int -> main (void) { -> printf ("%s", "Visual basic is bloated"); -> return(0); -> } -> -> however if I wanted to do the same thing in VB I -> need 2MB worth of files to install!!! -> -> The Wolf -> -> -> -----Original Message----- -> -> From: Lucas Vogel [mailto:lvogel@exponent.com] -> -> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 10:51 AM -> -> To: 'plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us' -> -> Subject: RE: Linux Programmer -> -> -> -> -> -> Tell me what happens when I install an rpm(program A) for -> linux. What -> -> happens if program A has missing dependencies? Then I have -> -> to find and -> -> download the library(library A) so that program A can work. -> -> I also have to -> -> ensure that library A has its dependencies satisfied, or -> I'll also be -> -> installing library B and/or C. It can get pretty recursive, -> -> and also doesn't -> -> take into account the different versions that different -> -> executables rely on. -> -> -> -> You must not have read the part concerning the tarball when -> -> I mentioned the -> -> ./configure script, and how it CHECKS FOR DEPENDENCIES. If -> -> the script fails -> -> because of missing dependencies, you have to do the same -> -> thing all over -> -> again. -> -> -> -> When you compile a VB app, it does have dependencies. It -> -> requires a minimum -> -> number of DLL's for it to work. Big deal. Once the dll's are -> -> installed you -> -> can write as many apps as you want without having to send -> -> the same dll's -> -> over and over again. If you include some new ones, include -> -> some new ones. -> -> -> -> And it's the same thing for Linux, only different. Linux -> -> puts an entry into -> -> the rpm db, MS into the Registry. But as far as -> -> applications, dependencies -> -> and distribution, it's still roughly the same thing. One -> -> notable exception, -> -> however, is that people on this list keep throwing FUD into -> -> VB because VB is -> -> Microsoft, and MS sucks on this list. That may be a -> -> compelling argument for -> -> their business practices, but it doesn't make any sense for -> -> this argument. -> -> -> -> -> -> -----Original Message----- -> -> From: Furmanek, Greg [mailto:Greg.Furmanek@hit.cendant.com] -> -> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 10:25 AM -> -> To: 'plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us' -> -> Subject: RE: Linux Programmer -> -> -> -> -> -> I do not understand why you comparing way of distributing -> -> programs to the coding/programming discussion. -> -> -> -> RPM uses database to keep track of the files you installed. -> -> Tarball is the *source* of a program you are going to -> -> compile. -> -> After you install you are going to end up with the same result -> -> with the exception of the entry in the RPM database. -> -> -> -> On the other hand if you write VB 2-liner and you want to -> -> distribute that you have to have 2/3 floppies just to fit -> -> the supporitng libraries on it. -> -> -> -> The Wolf -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -----Original Message----- -> -> -> From: Lucas Vogel [mailto:lvogel@exponent.com] -> -> -> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 9:31 AM -> -> -> To: 'plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us' -> -> -> Subject: RE: Linux Programmer -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> Give ME a break. You get the same issues w/RPM's and -> -> -> tarballs. The tarballs -> -> -> have far more damaging potential, though, when you're -> running the -> -> -> ./configure script and it dies because of something you -> -> may not know -> -> -> anything about how to fix, something that happened -> -> -> frequently when I was -> -> -> running COL 2.2. Don't make this a Windows-only (or VB, for -> -> -> that matter) -> -> -> because it isn't. -> -> -> -> -> -> -----Original Message----- -> -> -> From: The Wolf [mailto:codewolf@earthlink.net] -> -> -> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 9:19 PM -> -> -> To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us -> -> -> Subject: Re: Linux Programmer -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> William Lindley wrote: -> -> -> > -> -> -> > "Code bloat" in my mind is when you write a two-line VB -> -> -> program and wind -> -> -> > up with three megabytes of stuff that has to be installed. -> -> -> Gimme a break. -> -> -> > -> -> -> > \\/ -> -> -> > -> -> -> > _______________________________________________ -> -> -> > Plug-discuss mailing list - -> -> Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us -> -> -> > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> AMEN to this one!!!! -> -> -> -> -> -> -- -> -> -> "The questions is not if we are paranoid, -> -> -> the question is if we are paranoid enough." -> -> -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> -> -> Plug-discuss mailing list - -> -> Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us -> -> -> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -> -> -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> -> -> Plug-discuss mailing list - -> -> Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us -> -> -> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -> -> -> -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> -> Plug-discuss mailing list - -> Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us -> -> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> -> Plug-discuss mailing list - -> Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us -> -> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Plug-discuss mailing list - Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us -> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Plug-discuss mailing list - Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us -> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -> _______________________________________________ Plug-discuss mailing list - Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss