don't you need the standard library? -----Original Message----- From: Furmanek, Greg [mailto:Greg.Furmanek@hit.cendant.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 11:48 AM To: 'plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us' Subject: RE: Linux Programmer I do not need dependencies for compiled: #include int main (void) { printf ("%s", "Visual basic is bloated"); return(0); } however if I wanted to do the same thing in VB I need 2MB worth of files to install!!! The Wolf -> -----Original Message----- -> From: Lucas Vogel [mailto:lvogel@exponent.com] -> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 10:51 AM -> To: 'plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us' -> Subject: RE: Linux Programmer -> -> -> Tell me what happens when I install an rpm(program A) for linux. What -> happens if program A has missing dependencies? Then I have -> to find and -> download the library(library A) so that program A can work. -> I also have to -> ensure that library A has its dependencies satisfied, or I'll also be -> installing library B and/or C. It can get pretty recursive, -> and also doesn't -> take into account the different versions that different -> executables rely on. -> -> You must not have read the part concerning the tarball when -> I mentioned the -> ./configure script, and how it CHECKS FOR DEPENDENCIES. If -> the script fails -> because of missing dependencies, you have to do the same -> thing all over -> again. -> -> When you compile a VB app, it does have dependencies. It -> requires a minimum -> number of DLL's for it to work. Big deal. Once the dll's are -> installed you -> can write as many apps as you want without having to send -> the same dll's -> over and over again. If you include some new ones, include -> some new ones. -> -> And it's the same thing for Linux, only different. Linux -> puts an entry into -> the rpm db, MS into the Registry. But as far as -> applications, dependencies -> and distribution, it's still roughly the same thing. One -> notable exception, -> however, is that people on this list keep throwing FUD into -> VB because VB is -> Microsoft, and MS sucks on this list. That may be a -> compelling argument for -> their business practices, but it doesn't make any sense for -> this argument. -> -> -> -----Original Message----- -> From: Furmanek, Greg [mailto:Greg.Furmanek@hit.cendant.com] -> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 10:25 AM -> To: 'plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us' -> Subject: RE: Linux Programmer -> -> -> I do not understand why you comparing way of distributing -> programs to the coding/programming discussion. -> -> RPM uses database to keep track of the files you installed. -> Tarball is the *source* of a program you are going to -> compile. -> After you install you are going to end up with the same result -> with the exception of the entry in the RPM database. -> -> On the other hand if you write VB 2-liner and you want to -> distribute that you have to have 2/3 floppies just to fit -> the supporitng libraries on it. -> -> The Wolf -> -> -> -> -----Original Message----- -> -> From: Lucas Vogel [mailto:lvogel@exponent.com] -> -> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 9:31 AM -> -> To: 'plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us' -> -> Subject: RE: Linux Programmer -> -> -> -> -> -> Give ME a break. You get the same issues w/RPM's and -> -> tarballs. The tarballs -> -> have far more damaging potential, though, when you're running the -> -> ./configure script and it dies because of something you -> may not know -> -> anything about how to fix, something that happened -> -> frequently when I was -> -> running COL 2.2. Don't make this a Windows-only (or VB, for -> -> that matter) -> -> because it isn't. -> -> -> -> -----Original Message----- -> -> From: The Wolf [mailto:codewolf@earthlink.net] -> -> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 9:19 PM -> -> To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us -> -> Subject: Re: Linux Programmer -> -> -> -> -> -> William Lindley wrote: -> -> > -> -> > "Code bloat" in my mind is when you write a two-line VB -> -> program and wind -> -> > up with three megabytes of stuff that has to be installed. -> -> Gimme a break. -> -> > -> -> > \\/ -> -> > -> -> > _______________________________________________ -> -> > Plug-discuss mailing list - -> Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us -> -> > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -> -> -> -> -> -> AMEN to this one!!!! -> -> -> -> -- -> -> "The questions is not if we are paranoid, -> -> the question is if we are paranoid enough." -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> -> Plug-discuss mailing list - -> Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us -> -> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> -> Plug-discuss mailing list - -> Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us -> -> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Plug-discuss mailing list - Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us -> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Plug-discuss mailing list - Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us -> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -> _______________________________________________ Plug-discuss mailing list - Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss