This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_000_01BFCA96.6BF00360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" RE 40+ & resumes: $0.02 from a 60+ guy with 35 years programming and LanAdmin/SysAdmin experience who recently went through the find-a-job exercise. Compressing 30+ years of experience into 1.5 pages is very different from stretching 3 years experience to look like ten so you can fill up those 1.5 pages and calls for a totally different approach to the resume. I arranged mine by category--Sys/LanAdmin, OS-es, languages, teaching, awards, etc. and compressed the heck out of it. I also had some excellent help from one of the folks in the outplacement firm. I also constantly revised--"Do you have any background in _____?" Hmmmm, some, but not as much as some other things--guess I'd better mention it too. I also tried to use the TLAs and hot-button buzzwords as much as possible, on advice from several people. Must've done something right--I found a good job! FWIW, most technical people are NOT wordsmiths--get competent help on the wording, etc. of your resume--it's worth it! -mj- -----Original Message----- From: Furmanek, Greg [mailto:Greg.Furmanek@hit.cendant.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 4:25 PM To: 'plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us' Subject: RE: Linux Job Order I do not think you should lie, but leaving out irrelevant information and shortening the resume makes sense. Someone told me a resume should catch an eye in the first paragraph and fit on one page. I personally know managers who move 3 page resume at the bottom of the pile so they do not have to read it right now. The Wolf. BTW good article about getting jobs and negotiating the terms of employment: Negotiating for Nerds: http://freshmeat.net/news/2000/05/20/958881540.html -----Original Message----- From: Joseph T. Tannenbaum [mailto:tannenba@futureone.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 2:30 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us Subject: RE: Linux Job Order This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01BFC4C3.6D6EADA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anthony, Does that mean we should lie, leave out, etc? Joe -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of Anthony Walsh Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 11:30 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us Subject: Linux Job Order As a recruiter I do work with people that are 40+ in years. If I have one suggestion to people who fall into that category(40+) it would be to only list what you've done in the last 5 to 6 years. What disqualifies many of my 40+ candidates is a resume that has 15 to 20+ years experience working with computers. So far my organization hasn't identified any qualified candidates to fill the Linux programmer position. I guess I'm throwing my fishing pole into the lake to see if anyone will bite. I appreciate your suggestions that have been listed, and any future suggestions that you may have. Please feel free to call me if anyone has a few minutes to talk to help me out. Anthony G. Walsh IT Connections 602-240-7711 Ext. 11# ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01BFC4C3.6D6EADA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Subject: Linux Job=20 OrderAs a recruiter I do work with people = that are 40+=20 in years. If I have one suggestion to people who fall into that=20 category(40+) it would be to only list what you've done in the last 5 = to 6=20 years. What disqualifies many of my 40+ candidates is a resume = that has=20 15 to 20+ years experience working with computers.So far my organization hasn't = identified any=20 qualified candidates to fill the Linux programmer position. I = guess I'm=20 throwing my fishing pole into the lake to see if anyone will = bite. I=20 appreciate your suggestions that have been listed, and any future = suggestions=20 that you may have. Please feel free to call me if anyone has a = few=20 minutes to talk to help me out.= Anthony G. Walsh= IT Connections= 602-240-7711 Ext. = 11#