I think you have not looked at python recently. I have seen a sample program which created window framework with standard menus and buttons in 112 lines of code Here is the article: http://www.linuxdev.net/features/articles/05.24.2000/index.shtml Trent Shipley wrote: > GNU-Linux-BSD all lack the high (COBOL) and low > (VB-esque) development environments suitable for cost-conscious > business-oriented development projects. > -- "The questions is not if we are paranoid, the question is if we are paranoid enough."