\_ [...] a window manager called SawFish. \_ I'd read about the window manager in the past, but never bothered trying \_ it since it was partially implemented in a variant of lisp and I suspected \_ that it would be slow. \_ \_ It's actually quite good. For me, it's faster than enlightenment, and \_ is lacking some of enlightenment's bugs that were fairly annoying \_ to me. The one that prevented me from using the eyecandy window manager at work was inability to chord ctrl-meta-shift-mod4 with the mouse keys. Sure, if you like the bindings there, then it rocks. But when you really want to say c-m-s-m4 button4 and have it pop resolutions for you, the last time I checked, it couldn't do that. vtwm which I've been using, well, since x11r3 days (*ahem*), supports arbitrary mappings/chordings.... And at home, E was to expensive on my p120. (Shhh, I know, I know.) \_ Anyway, I recommend SawFish for those of you who like enlightenment, \_ but are fed up with some of its bugs and/or slowness. (Upgrading \_ to Gnome 1.2 is also recommended.) sawfish rocks. But I'm prejudiced, since my first 'real' programming language was Scheme, a deritive (sp?) of Lisp. Besides the enherit coolness of using (lisp) again, it's easily extendable. (Unlike vtwm, and probably a host of others.) Um, sorry, 'extendable without recompiling the main binary'. The default release of sawfish (0.27.2 at time of typing) does not have a resize mode that draws outlines they way I expect them (perimiter of window + a cross from corner-corner). 10-20 lines of easy lisp later...poof. It's in. It's configurable in the configurator-bob. On #sawfish someone mentioned that he'd really like to see the technical mode for E ported. I had that mostly implemented in 1/2 hour. The finishing touches are being worked out RSN. And because, just because, I'm likely to code an 'ellipitcal resizer' where the corners of the window being resized/moved intersect an ellipse. All without touching the main binary. Like emacs, but for window managers. Oh, and it has a shell interface as well. http://sawmill.sourceforge.net/ (sawfish was formerly called sawmill) David ps: the horror stories of paren use in Lisp are true. After my first CS course, I could hit '(' and ')' 100% accuracy no looking. I had to do a visual scan for the '9' and the '0' however.