\_ Dave I have to say you are a sick bastard!!!! Ok, newbies take note: you must now apparently progress through 'sick bastard' stage to at least believe you can become worthy of calling yourself a BOFH. And I thought sick was when I dumped a large postscript render file to the printer at 4:40 when there was a program due at 5 for most of the people in the lab. It was a good 5-10 minutes before it spat out my last sheet. *I* needed that printout to verify what was going on for my assignment due the next week. The fact that *they* hadn't planned was not my fault. :-) We won't mention the evils of launching while(fork()) on the PDP 11/75s systems to clear the lab room when the intro engineering students were stressing bad enough that it was a palpable miasma in Surge IV. Arrghh...I lost a quote file someplace. Damn. From memory: "Dave, you have such a fresh, wholesome way of looking at life. How ever do you manage?" -M. Cahn Hmmm, are 'wholesome' and 'sick bastard' mutually exclusive? :-) David