Actually...   Both.

-----Original Message-----
From: Lucas Vogel [mailto:lvogel@exponent.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 8:35 PM
To: 'plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us'
Subject: RE: Linux Programmer


And you make this assumption...because you don't like MS, or because of all
of the maintenance you've had to do for VB programs? I'd like to know.

-----Original Message-----
From: Furmanek, Greg [mailto:Greg.Furmanek@hit.cendant.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 6:25 PM
To: 'plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us'
Subject: RE: Linux Programmer


Ok there is more sloppy programmers coding in VB.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Sheldon [mailto:msheldon@desertraven.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 6:07 PM
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Subject: RE: Linux Programmer


>Perl and VB allow for people to do some
sloppy programming.<

I haven't seen a language yet where this cannot be done.

I've seen some very good VB code, and I've seen some truly horrible Java
code. Yet the "experts" will tell you that Java is better because it
produces cleaner code. Yes, Java has better structure, and tends to enforce
better coding practices. However, if you take a sloppy programmer and teach
them to write Java, they will likely still produce sloppy code.

How well the code is written depends entirely upon the person who writes it.
The absolute WORST code I've ever seen has been predominantly C.

Michael J. Sheldon
Internet Applications Developer
Phone: 480.699.1084
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-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of
Furmanek, Greg
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 17:30
To: 'plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us'
Subject: RE: Linux Programmer


I have to disagree with this one.

Python is an elegant language where VB and
Perl can be really ugly "mutter".

Perl and VB allow for people to do some
sloppy programming.  It can be done nice
but most of Perl programmers do not keep
their code clean.  It lends itself to be
a real mess.

The Wolf

-----Original Message-----
From: Lucas Vogel [mailto:lvogel@exponent.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 3:23 PM
To: 'plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us'
Subject: RE: Linux Programmer


If there is ANY 'VB' to Linux, it's python/wxpython, not perl! :)

-----Original Message-----
From: Trent Shipley [mailto:tshipley@symbio-tech.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 3:16 PM
To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
Subject: RE: Linux Programmer




> -----Original Message-----
> From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of
> der.hans
> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 1:11 PM
> To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> Subject: Re: Linux Programmer
>
>
> On Wed, 24 May 2000, Anthony Walsh wrote:
>
> > Keith,
> >
> >     To be honest with you I am not a programmer.  I am familiar with
> > the concepts, and the buzz words that IT people throw out, but it
> > would be impossible for me to tell you what a Linux Programmer does.
>
> We presume this is done in c or c++, but it could be java. It would be
> nice to know that. The two places in town I know of that are working with
> it were doing c-based stuff last I knew.

That is always my first thought, an OS <name> programmer is a programmer who
is used to developing REAL programs in OS <name>.  Thus a Linux programmer
programs in C for a Linux environment.

HOWEVER, technical journals titled _Linux Programming_ are often about
script programming in the common Linux environments.  In this case a Linux
programmer is not a power developer of first tier applications in C, but a
programmer who develops quick-and-dirty scripts to automate workloads and
customize environments for users in a Linux shop (cf a VB programmer vs.
VC++ programmer in MS <os name>).  This Linux programmer uses BASh, Sed/AWK,
PERL (the Linux answer to VB), TCL/TK . . . and *very little* C.  [This
semantic use would also be consistent with the emphasis on networking. . .
.]


Trent


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